Your most dystopian movie you ever saw

[ingolftopf]

@Ryszard
I don't see why @Ayespy's message should be reported to moderation.

I also don't see that this message equates the facts of the movie with fantasy.
Instead, I read about deep concern and emotion.

I am glad that this movie was mentioned here.

[ingolftopf]

"A dystopia (from Ancient Greek δυσ (dus) 'bad', and τόπος (tópos) 'place'), also called a cacotopia[2] or anti-utopia, is a community or society that is extremely bad or frightening.[3][4] It is often treated as an antonym of utopia, a term that was coined by Sir Thomas More and figures as the title of his best known work, published in 1516, which created a blueprint for an ideal society with minimal crime, violence, and poverty. The relationship between utopia and dystopia is in actuality, not one simple opposition, as many utopian elements and components are found in dystopias as well, and vice versa.[5][6][7] ..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia

[ingolftopf]

'Schindler's List', 1993

"Schindler's List is a 1993 American epic historical drama film directed and produced by Steven Spielberg and written by Steven Zaillian. It is based on the 1982 novel Schindler's Ark by Australian novelist Thomas Keneally. The film follows Oskar Schindler, a German industrialist who saved more than a thousand mostly Polish–Jewish refugees from the Holocaust by employing them in his factories during World War II. It stars Liam Neeson as Schindler, Ralph Fiennes as SS officer Amon Göth, and Ben Kingsley as Schindler's Jewish accountant Itzhak Stern. ..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schindler's_List

A very moving and impressive movie.

For me, especially the scenes with the young girl in the red coat. The movie poster gives a hint.

The movie is based on historical facts.
Even if the personality of Oskar Schindler was much more nuanced.
He was actually friends with Amon Göth and didn't just pretend to be.

But that's where the Hollywood tassel strikes.

There was probably no other way.

[ingolftopf]

Thanks @Ayespy for mentioning this movie here, it belongs here.

Didn't have it on the screen at the moment.

[ingolftopf]

The film 'The Zone of Interest' uses motifs from 'Schindler's List'.

'The Zone of Interest', 2023

"The Zone of Interest is a 2023 historical drama film written and directed by Jonathan Glazer, co-produced among the United Kingdom, the United States, and Poland. Loosely based on the 2014 novel by Martin Amis, the film focuses on the life of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss and his wife Hedwig, who live with their family in a home in the "Zone of Interest" next to the concentration camp. Christian Friedel stars as Rudolf Höss alongside Sandra Hüller as Hedwig Höss.[3] ..."

Also a very moving and very impressive movie.

Very specially made, gets under your skin.

https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/754383

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Höss

[ingolftopf]

There is a "follow-up movie" to 'The Zone of Interest'.
'The Shadow of the Commander', which will be released in cinemas in Germany on 13.06.2024

""The Shadow of the Commandant" tells the story of Rudolf Höss' 87-year-old son Hans Jürgen Höss, who comes to terms with his father's cruel legacy for the first time. Rudolf Höss was the commandant of the Auschwitz concentration and extermination camp and responsible for the murder of more than one million Jews. The life of Höss and his family was recently portrayed in the Oscar-winning film "The Zone of Interest". Now "The Shadow of the Commandant" tells the story of the real people who lived in Höss' death camp."

https://www.kino-zeit.de/film-kritiken-trailer-streaming/der-schatten-des-kommandanten-2024

Certainly a very good movie on this topic.

[ingolftopf]

@DoctorG you've opened a can of worms with this thread.

[TravellinBob]

@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:

'Er ist wieder da', 2015

"Look Who's Back (German: Er ist wieder da, pronounced [ˈeːɐ̯ ʔɪst ˈviːdɐ daː]; transl. "He's back again/He is again there") is a 2015 German satirical black comedy film directed by David Wnendt and based on the 2012 novel of the same name by Timur Vermes.[3][4][5][6][7] The film features unscripted vignettes of Oliver Masucci as Adolf Hitler interacting with ordinary Germans, interspersed with scripted storyline sequences.[8] It was listed as one of eight films that could be the German submission for the Best Foreign Language Film at the 89th Academy Awards, but it was not selected.[9]

Plot
In 2014, Adolf Hitler wakes up in the Berlin park where his Führerbunker once stood. Disoriented, he wanders through the city, interpreting modern situations from a wartime perspective. Mistaken for an impersonator, Hitler encounters a mime and an anxious young mother, the latter of which pepper-sprays him. He faints after reading a newspaper stating the year is 2014. ..."

Another excellent film that is well worth seeing.

I also used this movie as a basis for several discussion rounds.
Once again, participants with extreme right-wing views were present, albeit always in the minority.
Some of these discussions led to astonishing results.

Simply a brilliant movie too.

I haven't sen the film, but read the book a few years ago - I thoiught it was brilliant!

[TravellinBob]

@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:

@DoctorG you've opened a can of worms with this thread.
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It's great, isn't it? "Love can-of-worms" threads....

[ingolftopf]

@TravellinBob
Yes, it is, like the movie.

[Pesala]

@TravellinBob Wouldn’t canned worms be dead when the can was opened, so not much of a problem? A bit messy perhaps, like a can of spaghetti.

[ingolftopf]

I fear that the worms are not only alive, but that they continue to multiply, depending on the zeitgeist and the current situation.

That's why it's important to recognize them, talk about them and deal with them.

As difficult as this sometimes is.

[Ayespy]

@Pesala When buying worms as live bait for fishing when I was a kid, you would get them in a metal can with a handle and lid, and some rich soil. When you opened the can, there would be essentially a mound of wriggling worms. Typically, they would have been placed in the can each morning by the shopkeeper who had an enormous wooden tray full of soil in the back where he grew them.

Nowadays, nightcrawlers for bait are all grown in Canada, and shipped to bait shops in ventilated bags of dry peat moss inside a sturdy ventilated box. Properly stored in a cool enough setting, they can remain alive for weeks.

[jpaulbiss]

Idiocracy (2006) which was at the time a comedy; but is now being thought of as a documentory.

[Ryszard]

@ingolftopf, @Ayespy, @Catweazle
Open pages:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopie
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopía
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopia
or others concerning this keyword and use the translator for the opening sentences. It is plain to see that dystopia = fictional world. Only in the English version does ‘fictionality’ explicitly appear in the following paragraphs.
By putting ‘Schindler's List’ or ‘The Zone of Interest’ in this thread you are announcing to everyone - Auschwitz, Plaszow, the Holocaust and the rest of the world depicted in these films are as much fiction as the world 'Blade Runner', 'Metropolis', 'Idiocracy'.
Yes ‘The Shadow of the Commandant’ tells of a terrible but real world. There should be a separate thread for such films.

[ingolftopf]

@Ryszard
No offense intended.

But I think we've come to the right place.

[ingolftopf]

@jpaulbiss
The title doesn't mean anything to me at first.
Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?

Thank you

[Ayespy]

@Ryszard A dystopia is generally understood to be imagined rather than real. A figurative warning of what could be.

"Dystopian," however, is a descriptive term meaning "of or like a dystopia." There may be no real paradise for instance, but Hawaii could be referred to as "Paradisical," and Death Valley could be referred to "hellish" whether or not there is a real hell. Brobdingnag (Gulliver's Travels) is a fake place, but there are machines of Brobdingnagian (gigantic) proportions. They are real. There are and have been dystopian societies, such as Jonestown, which may have been intended to be utopian, but serve instead as an object lesson to humanity.

That said, I find the amount of seriousness, gravity, importance and significance that have been ladled into this topic somewhat stupefying. Geez. Lighten up.

[Ryszard]

@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:

Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?

The film is not about the real world.
Is the use of a search engine a problem?

Can you cope with finding a link to a non-Polish version?

[Ryszard]

@Ayespy
In my opinion, you would achieve your goal more quickly and easily by writing ‘My apologies’ and removing the https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/757294 and the rest of the misguided messages - get to work moderator.