Progress on Sync/Mail?
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You're right. Even if the Opera's extension Smart RSS can do the job it is not as good as in Opera 12. And it hasn't been upgrade since a long time and so bugs remain (I can't moove feed to a folder for instance). I really hope that Vivaldi will fill that lack !
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I don't care so much about e-mail but sync is really a must for me. Especially because Vivaldi has so many great options and features like notes. But I guess that complicates the matter further, syncing notes, themes and everything else on top of Chromium...
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I'm wondering if your thinking of one browser version or two (with mail and without) ? and if it's just one, will smaller hardware be able to handle the extra resources needed for the mail side of things? (if extra resources are even needed)
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@ultraviolet said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
I'm wondering if your thinking of one browser version or two (with mail and without) ? and if it's just one, will smaller hardware be able to handle the extra resources needed for the mail side of things? (if extra resources are even needed)
No extra resources for mail unless you turn it on. It takes up about four more MB on initial download. Also, if you already use a separate email client, then you can dump that one and use the Vivaldi one instead, which could actually reduce resource usage.
But when you say "smaller devices," Vivaldi is unlikely to include a mail client with the mobile version in any case.
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Mail usage of the Mail app on Windows 10 is already really really small (right now it's 0.3 MB of RAM as a background task) but I'd take higher usage and reliability any day.
It's a problem with Google servers, with Microsoft (Outlook.com) servers IMAP works fine.
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i have a question. i am putting vivaldi webmail as a panel. i did not link any security sensitive items to that email. i use it more like a news feed. why is it a bad idea for us to use the panel like this?
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@monkey_wrench_gang898 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
i have a question. i am putting vivaldi webmail as a panel. i did not link any security sensitive items to that email. i use it more like a news feed. why is it a bad idea for us to use the panel like this?
If it works for you, I can't think of a thing against it.
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@Ayespy
it's not the solution im looking for. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't messing up a component. do the panels work like any url or vivaldi:// address? if you could set panel toggle or a keyboard shortcut to change panel width instead of just taking it away, i would find that very helpful another request - https://vivaldi.com/bugreport/ in speed dial. it took me forever to find. probably my fault, but making it more visible would improve feedback. -
@monkey_wrench_gang898 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
@Ayespy
it's not the solution im looking for. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't messing up a component. do the panels work like any url or vivaldi:// address? if you could set panel toggle or a keyboard shortcut to change panel width instead of just taking it away, i would find that very helpful another request - https://vivaldi.com/bugreport/ in speed dial. it took me forever to find. probably my fault, but making it more visible would improve feedback.I guess I'm missing something. Within limits, you can make pretty much ANY page into a web panel. The only problems you are likely to experience are with size and spading of things, fitting into a panel. Panels can also be made quite wide now, and each panel can be assigned its own width. I can't see how you would break anything. I say play with it, and mention any problem you run into.
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@Pinkmeister Hello, as Vivaldi does not have RSS reader included, im using addon called The RSS Aggregator
Work just well for me. Give it a shot! -
@monkey_wrench_gang898 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
i have a question. i am putting vivaldi webmail as a panel. i did not link any security sensitive items to that email. i use it more like a news feed. why is it a bad idea for us to use the panel like this?
That's one of the things that webpanels do very well, especially when a webmail has the mobile version.
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@Ayespy said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
@ultraviolet said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
I'm wondering if your thinking of one browser version or two (with mail and without) ? and if it's just one, will smaller hardware be able to handle the extra resources needed for the mail side of things? (if extra resources are even needed)
No extra resources for mail unless you turn it on. It takes up about four more MB on initial download. Also, if you already use a separate email client, then you can dump that one and use the Vivaldi one instead, which could actually reduce resource usage.
But when you say "smaller devices," Vivaldi is unlikely to include a mail client with the mobile version in any case.
thanks for the reply, "smaller devices" ment mainly my old cheap laptop!
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Personally I'm curious about the tech behind the mail client..
Did they build an backend on node.js just for pop3/imap? The only comparable application I'm aware of is Nylas N1, which requires a subscription to use.
edit: I just discovered that Rambox also exists, and is apparently free and open source, although it seems more like a launcher for messaging services then a real email client.
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A little over a year ago I think it was, Vivaldi published a link to a video wherein one of their developers was explaining the technology involved in the backend of the mail client to a small room full of people. The audio quality on the video wasn't good, and the dev did the presentation in English which was clearly not his mother tongue. I think he might have been Norwegian or even Icelandic. Frankly, I barely understood a word he said, but that was partly because 50% of the explanation was "tech-ese."
What I garnered from it was that the client was not being adapted from any existing mail platform. It was truly being built from the ground up, with every single action, routine, decision, element of structure, etc. being hand-coded or one-off customized. He was using database and communication elements which had not, to my knowledge, been employed specifically in a mail client before, which made his product kind of "revolutionary." This was early days, and I think the Team just wanted to make it clear they were serious about mail. Much may have changed in the intervening months.
Wish I could tell you more, but all I really know is that the client is starting to show some really progress and polish compared to two or three months ago.
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@atomic1fire said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
edit: I just discovered that Rambox also exists, and is apparently free and open source, although it seems more like a launcher for messaging services then a real email client.
Rambox is not an email client, it's a web wrapper with support for email web apps (with some extra features as native notifications, not Chrome)
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@Ayespy said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
A little over a year ago I think it was, Vivaldi published a link to a video wherein one of their developers was explaining the technology involved in the backend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiYOISYbKRE from https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/4537/how-the-vivaldi-mail-client-was-made
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According to this interview in German http://www.golem.de/news/jon-s-von-tetzchner-ein-halbes-leben-fuer-zwei-browser-1611-124309.html the mail client is supposed to come in 2017 with v 2.0.
I can't believe that we have to wait so long for a mail client whereas Vivaldi 1.5 is said to be able to communicate with Philips Hue lamps. Who sets priorities with Vivaldi? -
@ghpy Well, it's like comparing building a jet plane to baking a cake - both surely require some skill and knowledge, but it surely is not the same thing. One will take more time before it's finished. Making the other thing in the meantime should not cause any noticeable delay.
But TBH the Philips Hue lamps made me LOL...
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There are three teams working on the browser:
Designers (concerned with design and such frills as the Phillips HUE system)
Browser Developers - work on the browser all day every day and do not mess with design or email.
Mail Developers - work on the email client all day every day and do not mess with the browser or email.The skill sets of these developers and designers overlap somewhat but are not the same. None of them is likely to be able to do the jobs of the others.
Progress by one team does not impair progress by other teams. There is no such thing as "...fix the bugs in the browser then ... make the browser have email client."
Mail developers have been working on it for over two years and don't squash browser bugs. Browser developers squash bugs daily and do not look at or touch email or design. It's not a matter of "priorities." It's a matter of parallel tracks. One train moving does not stop other trains.
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@MacUser2525 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:
Christ it is going to morph into the bloated everything including the kitchen sink type of thing then, just lovely. Too bad I really liked this thing in the couple of weeks I have been using it.
One of the biggest advantages of Vivaldi is that it's getting more features and customization options as it's being developed. It's not surprising to me that some people - especially those used to the opposite trend of removing useful stuff, like some companies (*cough* apple ) do nowadays - will find it quite uncomfortable...