V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?
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@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
Yes, that's the weird thing, it doesn't seem to be related to specific hardware.
And to clarify, I'm not using any PWAs, I didn't even know this was a thing, until I recently saw it in Edge, which offered me to install such a PWA, but I declined. So this doesn't play a role. Also, weeks ago I completely reinstalled Windows and Vivaldi, so it also happens on a clean profile. Of course I did import my rather large bookmarks file and I use 8 extensions. Third party security tools don't seem to play any role.
Perchance, are you using Vivaldi Sync for anything? I've been able to reproduce the issue with no extensions and no bookmarks. (I've been chronicling some of the things I've been trying at https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/89581/interface-stop-responding-after-closing-a-tab-when-using-tab-groups/ as well - mostly managing to eliminate possibilities and unfortunately mystify @mib2berlin). I do use Sync, though, and so I wonder if perhaps it's Something In The Profile that's getting synced.
And if it's not that, the only other possibilities I can think of are "some combination of preferences" (in which case I'd be interested in comparing notes) or something even more obscure and unknowable.
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I've noticed that it seems to be unloading older tabs, so that may explain the improved performance, but I am back to the daily restart for now, as it is still slowing too much over time.
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@Viqsi I've never used Sync and I have these performance problems.
@BenziJunior please tell us, is the Vivaldi team aware of this problem? It would be great to know if this is something you are able to re-create
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@vivaldibecameSLOW I'm less wondering if Sync is the cause and more interested if something that gets synchronized is responsible. So whether or not one uses Sync and gets these issues is of interest only if you've also reproduced the issue with an otherwise completely new clean profile.
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@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
Of course I did import my rather large bookmarks file and I use 8 extensions. Third party security tools don't seem to play any role.
Have you tried disabling your extensions?
@vivaldibecameSLOW said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@BenziJunior please tell us, is the Vivaldi team aware of this problem? It would be great to know if this is something you are able to re-create
As a member of the team, I am aware but not been able to reproduce the issue.
Haven't had time to go through the original thread as I'm working on other performance related tasks, but will try to investigate further once I have more time. -
@BenziJunior said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
Of course I did import my rather large bookmarks file and I use 8 extensions. Third party security tools don't seem to play any role.
Have you tried disabling your extensions?
I don't believe that poster has, but I have. It took a little longer for the symptoms to recur, but they recurred all the same. I've also gotten it with a "new profile", although whether or not it was "clean" is debatable because one of the first things I did with it is sign back into Vivaldi Sync. (I did turn off all of the extensions therein for testing purposes, though.)
Hope this helps.
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Might as well chime in here as well that I'm still experiencing this problem fairly regularly after the most recent updates and after following the troubleshooting steps posted here and in the old thread. Even worse now, closing pdf tabs kills the browser completely.
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@iflanzy said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
Even worse now, closing pdf tabs kills the browser completely.
Hi, we don't have any reports in the bug tracker about this issue and I cant reproduce it on all my systems with Windows 11 and Linux.
If Vivaldi create a crash log, report it to the bug tracker.
For Windows: https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/troubleshoot/reporting-crashes-on-windows/ -
@Viqsi said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
Perchance, are you using Vivaldi Sync for anything? I've been able to reproduce the issue with no extensions and no bookmarks.
I don't use Vivaldi Sync, and I also don't believe this has got anything to do with the problem. And you're at least the second person who has reported that even with extensions disabled, the problem is still present. And apparantly bookmarks are also not a factor.
@magilex said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
I've noticed that it seems to be unloading older tabs, so that may explain the improved performance, but I am back to the daily restart for now, as it is still slowing too much over time.
That's what I was already wondering about, because I don't see how performance could improve by itself. Perhaps you are using the Memory Saver function?
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@vivaldibecameSLOW said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@BenziJunior please tell us, is the Vivaldi team aware of this problem? It would be great to know if this is something you are able to re-create
As a member of the team, I am aware but not been able to reproduce the issue. Haven't had time to go through the original thread as I'm working on other performance related tasks, but will try to investigate further once I have more time.
I'm very excited to finally see a Vivaldi developer in this topic. Should I make a new bug report?
@BenziJunior said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
Of course I did import my rather large bookmarks file and I use 8 extensions. Third party security tools don't seem to play any role.
Have you tried disabling your extensions?
People have already performed extensive troubleshoots, nothing has helped. Someone did mention that it might be some memory leak issue, perhaps caused by Vivaldi's UI layer, can this be true? Vivaldi 6.4/6.5/6.6 also keeps hanging in memory when you close it, but only after it has been active for a couple of hours with a lot of tabs (30+) open. In Vivaldi 6.1 I don't have any problems, but I do know that Vivaldi 6.2 was a major redesign (Portal Windows), so perhaps this somehow plays a role?
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@RasheedHolland
Hi again, the problem is:
I made another test with a used 6.6 profile on Windows 11, 150 tabs are open, I open/close ~1000 tabs a day and as I close Vivaldi at day 5 it disappear from the Windows task manager in < 1 second. No slowdown, nothing.
I make these tests in my spare time since 6.2 at least, because I hate if I cant find out why things happen, or not, with software.
I would happily report insights to the developer but I don't have any.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@RasheedHolland
Hi again, the problem is:
I made another test with a used 6.6 profile on Windows 11, 150 tabs are open, I open/close ~1000 tabs a day and as I close Vivaldi at day 5 it disappear from the Windows task manager in < 1 second. No slowdown, nothing.
I make these tests in my spare time since 6.2 at least, because I hate if I cant find out why things happen, or not, with software.
I would happily report insights to the developer but I don't have any.Cheers, mib
Yes, you have often mentioned that you are performing these tests, so it's indeed weird that you don't get to see it.
But like I said, it might depend on what type of websites you visit, the amount of extensions that you are using, perhaps even on if you hibernate the system. It's clear that this problem isn't easy to replicate, so probably that's why the developers haven't been able to reproduce it yet.
But I hope that if they keep try to improve the performance, they might perhaps fix it, even when they can't exactly pinpoint the problem. It's a huge problem for me, because I can't upgrade Vivaldi at the moment, I'm stuck on Viv 6.1, which hasn't got any problems.
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@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
That's what I was already wondering about, because I don't see how performance could improve by itself. Perhaps you are using the Memory Saver function?
I don't think I've set anything up to use "memory saver"
I am using sync though. -
@magilex said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
That's what I was already wondering about, because I don't see how performance could improve by itself. Perhaps you are using the Memory Saver function?
I don't think I've set anything up to use "memory saver"
I am using sync though.OK I see. I have used the memory saver for a couple of months (I only have 8GB RAM) but I found it to be annoying. I don't like to keep having to reload websites, sometimes content can't be found anymore. But no matter if it's enabled or not, I still have the performance/hanging in memory problem, so it doesn't play a role.
BTW, you can find it via: vivaldi://settings/performance
Actually, I see when you copy and paste this in the addressbar, it will open the Vivaldi Settings page, don't know what the heck is going on. But if launched via my bookmarks, it loads correctly.
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@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
...so it's indeed weird that you don't get to see it.
Since only a few user's see it, it's normal not to see it. What's weird, is having the problem. But if anyone can solve why the problem exists for any users, even a small minority,, it can be addressed.
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@Ayespy said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@RasheedHolland said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
...so it's indeed weird that you don't get to see it.
Since only a few user's see it, it's normal not to see it. What's weird, is having the problem. But if anyone can solve why the problem exists for any users, even a small minority,, it can be addressed.
What I meant is that even after stress testing, you would hope that he would be able to reproduce it. Not everyone uses the browser in the same way, so I'm not surprised that others who perhaps use the browser in a ''less extensive'' way, are not seeing it.
And yes it's true that only a few have bothered to report it. On the other hand, perhaps many more people are seeing it, and have switched to another browser without reporting it, who knows? Bottom line is, all people who have reported this issue, don't have the problem with Vivaldi 6.1, so this says something. Perhaps developers can compare the codebase of 6.1 with the one of 6.4/6.5/6.6, it's clearly related to memory management.
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@RasheedHolland 6.1 was the last version that didn't have Browser Windows In Portal turned on by default. If you're still using 6.1 regularly, it might be instructive to make a copy of that profile, and then turn on that setting (it should be under vivaldi://experiments IIRC) and see if the problem subsequently appears in 6.1. I'd try it myself but I'd be worried about having to come up with some sort of downgrade approach and thus potentially adding noise to the signal.
(Also, it's very unlikely to be memory management. Memory management and resource management aren't the same thing. I have not observed any memory issues when the issue recurs here, and I was the one that supposed a resource management type cause.)
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@Viqsi said in V 6.6 | Slow Performance Since Upgrade?:
@RasheedHolland 6.1 was the last version that didn't have Browser Windows In Portal turned on by default. If you're still using 6.1 regularly, it might be instructive to make a copy of that profile, and then turn on that setting (it should be under vivaldi://experiments IIRC) and see if the problem subsequently appears in 6.1. I'd try it myself but I'd be worried about having to come up with some sort of downgrade approach and thus potentially adding noise to the signal.
I've already tried this, and even when Portal Windows was enabled in Viv 6.1, I couldn't reproduce it. So it's not clear if this plays a role.
(Also, it's very unlikely to be memory management. Memory management and resource management aren't the same thing. I have not observed any memory issues when the issue recurs here, and I was the one that supposed a resource management type cause.)
Good point, didn't think of this, I assumed it was sort of the same. But it seems to be indeed related to resource management. If you look at the Wikipedia pages about memory leaking and resource leaking, this problem seems to be more related to the latter. Because I also don't see Vivaldi 6.6 using more memory than Viv 6.1, when it becomes more sluggish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak
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Apparently this performance issue first appeared in 2019 for some users
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/33865/vivaldi-ui-is-slow-over-time
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@vivaldibecameSLOW That would be a different performance issue, with similar symptoms. We deal frequently with users claiming "the exact same thing is happening to me!" and then describing an issue unrelated to the one under discussion. The flu and pneumonia may both present with cough and fever. They are not the same or similar.