Go Button
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I do not miss it.
Feel free to not use it.
But the difference between the start bar and the go button is that the start bar is a feature that you may like or not.
The GO button is a basic UI feature, its the mouse counterpart of the largest button on the keyboard.
Ask yourself why that button is larger than others.
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Well, if they add the Go button but "forget" to make it removable, I'm sure someone will make an addon that will remove the stupid button. :evil:
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Well, if they add the Go button but "forget" to make it removable, I'm sure someone will make an addon that will remove the stupid button. :evil:
People who like Win phone shouldn't be allowed to discuss about the UI of any good program. :evil: :evil:
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The GO button is a basic UI feature, it's the mouse counterpart of the largest button on the keyboard.
Ask yourself why that button is larger than others.
Your assertion is clearly false. Opera 38, IE11, and Firefox are all missing the Go button that you claim is a basic UI feature. Maybe they have it as an option? It is not there by default The Go button in Opera 12.17 is disabled by default.
The Enter key on a keyboard is bigger because it is used constantly by all users.
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Your assertion is clearly false. Opera 38, IE11, and Firefox are all missing the Go button that you claim is a basic UI feature.
Pesala you should really learn how to reply politely to the other users.
First: My assertion could be "debatable", false is another thing.
Second: your assertion is false given both IE and FF have the GO button. Opium lacks it, we are here for a reason, doing the right thing where Opera did the wrong one.
Simple as that.
That said I think we made our point clear, I don't mind to reply further until someone add something of useful to the main argument.
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Well, if they add the Go button but "forget" to make it removable, I'm sure someone will make an addon that will remove the stupid button. :evil:
People who like Win phone shouldn't be allowed to discuss about the UI of any good program. :evil: :evil:
I believe you'll have a little chat with a site admin very soon…
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I believe you'll have a little chat with a site admin very soon.
I believe that if you choose to use the irony you should accept some irony back.
It's matter of reciprocal respect.
Anyway, given seem that you're trying desperately to derail the thread I'll close it, for now.
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"…but the browser should provide what 95% of users need out of the box."
I fear that's the mistake that Chrome and Opera made, necessitating the birth of Vivaldi.
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@Regyo1 I indeed agree that Vivaldi needs to restore the GO button.
I am a UI specialist with 20 years experience, I actually made an small contribution to Opera UI as well as Google Chrome.
It is pathetic how the ignorant people try to impose their toughs without any professional knowledge. They must know that most people do not use the ENTER button but choose an option from the drop down menu and this is exactly the behaviour that Google wants, because it makes money in such way. This is why IE and FF do have the go button and Vivaldi shall too if the company is coherent with its values. -
@RROO Well, I'm not "most people" apparently, I'm more a keyboard user so I use enter after typing (part of) the URL or the keywords for search, but I agree that the addition of a choice for a GO button is welcome, for those who are keyboard impaired. In the meantime, as pointed out in other threads, VivaldiHooks comes in help with this feature and a lot more. The feature will be added sooner or later, but meanwhile we wait, there is an easy workaround.
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The default GUI should not look like an airliner's cockpit.
... but is should not be an empty frame too.
I consider something like e.g. Chromium's basic interface as "empty frame", but I am very biased towards user interfaces with loads of buttons, maybe some people remember my old O12 "severe case of buttonitis" screenshot.
PS: The cockpits of modern airliners are a very good example of a clean and functional power user interface. Maybe other companies should take a very close look at them to learn how a huge load of important stuff can be made as accessible as possible. The airliner builders make very sure that everything is in a place where it is needed so that the pilots can immediately find it even under very stressing emergency conditions without having to think too much.
(I just noticed that comparisons with airliners are almost as good as comparisons with cars )
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@RROO You need to keep in mind two things:
- Vivaldi's CEO said in some interviews that their goal is to create a browser that adapts to the user - even if it means going in the opposite direction that other "big" browsers go. So, making a revenue might not be their top priority in some cases. "It is choosing to emphasise the user experience over maximising the value to be gained from each one" (source).
- Vivaldi is more popular among power users and perhaps that's why the demand for features like the "GO" button is not so high. But they said that Vivaldi will offer features for every user - even the average one - with the possibility to customize the browser so that it fits you. It just takes time to build a feature-rich browser - all we have to do is to support it and be patient.
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I've yet to encounter a browser that just spontaneously burst into being. Every single one of them - and every single feature in them - had to be coded by somebody, at some time. It's not as though every conceivable feature and button pre-existed in some model browser and biased developers simply edited away whatever didn't appeal to them. In reality, every one of the features and buttons present in a browser have to coded-in and tested robustly, somewhere along the way.
Coding-in and testing a feature or button requires effort and resources, taken from the largely fixed pool of whatever resources are available. Moreover, adding a given feature or button competes with countless other feature and button demands orbiting the designers at any given moment. This is especially true in a browser's earlier days when everything has to be created from nothing. As features and controls accumulate, other more obscure elements can attain sufficient attention and resources to be added (though the more code that exists, the more complex can be the debugging and interaction issues).
Patience is required with a startup browser design. Exercise of the necessary patience usually requires trust in the design team. Based on my experience with their many years of past performance as demonstrated with Olde Opera, I trust the direction Jon and the team are headed with Vivaldi. It took a fair number of years for Olde Opera to become what it did; I believe Vivaldi has already come along at a faster pace, and will continue to build on the developers' experience in days to come. All manner of features - and buttons - will appear with time.
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@Blackbird I indeed appreciate how you take your time to write such long opinion but from the point of view of a business man, it is nothing but a pathetic excuse:
- If you think do can not do it well, then do not waste your time trying.
- The <go> button is very easy to do because the command is already there. The only complexity I can imagine is the Chrome main bar is fixed, because this is what Google wants. If this is the case, the first thing to do was to fully replace it.
- You remember me how many opportunities were lost with the "Olde Opera" for a mindset like yours (I was in touch with the Norwegian team).
- Most people using Vivaldi are looking for a "Olde Opera" replacement, most of them are power users and the feature we are looking for is a reliable customizable browser, something Google Chrome and its extensions will never have. So, Vivaldi is not starting from zero, it should have the vision and an experienced team to achieved such.
- Now is the big moment for Vivaldi because Google Chrome is the new Internet Explorer and many APIS and Websites only work with it, also because the new Mozilla extension model hast lost its best developers and contributors.
Avant is made by one man and can be customized very well. Why a company like this https://vivaldi.com/team/ needs TWO YEARS of "patience" to find its path....
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@RROO: Blackbird has nothing to do with Vivaldi's decision-making process. Neither do I, even though I am a mod, do internal testing, and get to chat with the devs on a daily basis. Blackbird has his opinion. I have my opinion. So do you.
There will probably be a "Go" button at some point. Right now the team's focus is on a few thousand bugs and four major, major features. In future, nearly anything imaginable will be possible in terms of UI mods, buttons to be added or hidden; toolbars exposed, moved, hidden; shapes, sizes and colors of UI elements adjusted. That's the future. For the moment, everyone's bug and everyone's feature are the most important ones, and the simplest to fix, and the stupidest not to address. ("But unlike everyone else, my logic is SOUND!!") Yeah. Well, there's no reason on earth why, after two years, I still can't have a vertical bookmarks bar. Should be cake, right? I've been here longer than you, and I'm even an insider. Why can't I have what I want?
Please feel free to advocate for your desired features. Do so politely, even if energetically, and without implying that a failure of the devs to adopt your personal point of view is a sign of incompetence, bad business practices, ignorance or carelessness of user desires, wrongheaded planning, etc., etc. If you like the browser, use it. If you don't, don't. If you like it but think it could be better, please make your suggestions.
But please stow the negativity. Thanks.
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@saudiqbal said in Go Button:
I used to use the GO button on my old Opera 6 until they removed it too.
They never removed it. Even in O12 it can still be dragged and dropped from the Shift+F12 dialog to the addressbar and is fully functional.
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