Solved Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles

[maciekskontakt]

Discussions on foxnews.com below articles are not visible. That is not correct behavior. They are visible in Firefox. This started happening after some Vivaldi update came out. FoxNews is legitimate place that allows for reading people's opinions and posting in reference to article. Not all articles contain forum below it, but many do.

Either some Vivalidi policy is too restrictive or there is bug in Vivaldi.

Thank you,
Maciek Samsel

[Pathduck]

@maciekskontakt Set ad+tracker blocking off for the site and the comments show fine in Vivaldi.

Please read the documentation on the Ad/Tracker-blocker:
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/tracking-and-ad-blocking/

No browser makes decisions on what to block based on politics. In fact, Vivaldi does not make any decisions at all - what to block is based on publicly maintained ad and tracker lists.

A quick test shows that the DDG Tracker Radar list is responsible for blocking the comments form. Comments on news sites are often powered by 3rd-party companies whose main purpose is data collection.

If you actually think browsers decide what to block based on politics, I would say you've been watching too much Fox News
(sorry)

[DoctorG]

@maciekskontakt Had you checked if Vivaldi Blocker block too much?

@maciekskontakt said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

FoxNews is legitimate place that allows for reading people's opinions

You make a joke or tell false facts now.
I can not test, this bad website blocks all non-US people to see more.

[maciekskontakt]

@DoctoG

Please stay polite. You comment seems to be rude. FoxNews provides facts and has bigger audience than CNN or MSNBC in the United States. Keep your political opinions to yourself and stay professional.

I do not make false claims as well. I put their websites on exclusion list for trackers. i still do not see forum discussions. In Firefox I can.

[TbGbe]

@maciekskontakt said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

Please stay polite. You comment seems to be rude.

@DoctorG said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

I can not test, this bad website blocks all non-US people to see more.

It is not rude to say the site blocks non-US!

@maciekskontakt said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

I put their websites on exclusion list for trackers.

Did you try actually disabling blockers (Ads as well as Trackers)?

Did you check with Guest Profile ?

[Pathduck]

@maciekskontakt Set ad+tracker blocking off for the site and the comments show fine in Vivaldi.

Please read the documentation on the Ad/Tracker-blocker:
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/tracking-and-ad-blocking/

No browser makes decisions on what to block based on politics. In fact, Vivaldi does not make any decisions at all - what to block is based on publicly maintained ad and tracker lists.

A quick test shows that the DDG Tracker Radar list is responsible for blocking the comments form. Comments on news sites are often powered by 3rd-party companies whose main purpose is data collection.

If you actually think browsers decide what to block based on politics, I would say you've been watching too much Fox News
(sorry)

[edwardp]

@Pathduck said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

@maciekskontakt Set ad+tracker blocking off for the site and the comments show fine in Vivaldi.

The same works for the comments on Yahoo's articles.

[maciekskontakt]

As I said I put domain on list not to block. So yes I did. This according to link that was offered to me on this thread. So the question is what else needs to be done to have this list in effect. Restart browser?

And for the record I also tried Brave browser freshly installed (no user customization's) and it does not block visibility of forums just like Firefox.

And yes this is rude no matter what you say:
"You make a joke or tell false facts now."

Please pay attention to detail and not derail what I call rude. Let's focus on technical resolution instead.

[Pathduck]

@maciekskontakt It works here, disabling blocking for www.foxnews.com and the comments section shows.

Video: https://ttm.sh/SvJ.mp4

Note that FoxNews will detect adblockers enabled.
Comments do not show with trackers blocked.
Comments show with no blocking.

[maciekskontakt]

I am aware that they do detect them. You cannot read content on many articles if you do not disable them. That is why I put them on special list. I am okay with disabling anything else by default. I like Vivaldi for this - this is my main browser for this reason (and few others) as opposed to Brave or Firefox (and I rarely use Chrome or Edge only when forced to).

So I cannot use list with specific domains or I put non-blocking on wrong domain (comments coming from different domain)?

[Pathduck]

@maciekskontakt said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

So I cannot use list with specific domains or I put non-blocking on wrong domain (comments coming from different domain)?

No it looks like you have it correct in your image - same as my video at 0:54.

So if the comments field is still not showing, something else is blocking on your system.

Just in case, make sure to reload the page using Ctrl+F5 to bypass cache.
Or clear cache+cookies.
I didn't need to for my test but maybe you do.

[maciekskontakt]

Okay, Ctrl-F5 did not change anything (cache clean on website), but when I used non-blocking from drop down as per video comments showed up. It does not work when I add domain to non-blocking list manually and I added few more including *.foxnews.com So may be I am wrong, but this sounds that populating list in settings is not working the same as when using drop down when loading the page.

[Pathduck]

@maciekskontakt When you added the site, did you paste in the URL https://www.foxnews.com directly or did you just add www.foxnews.com ? I believe pasting in a URL does not always work, especially if you paste a full url (not just the domain).

The input just takes a host/domain string, although it should convert a URL to just the host/domain.

For instance pasting in the full URL:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/massive-hong-kong-fire-consumes-skyscraper-construction-raining-burning-embers-rain-street
This will not be recognized as a host/domain and will fail.

It works for me when adding just www.foxnews.com. I also recommend just using the domain foxnews.com

That's why the documentation recommends users use the URL bar button, to avoid mistakes:
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/tracking-and-ad-blocking/

I added few more including *.foxnews.com

No, wildcards won't work.

[maciekskontakt]

@Pathduck

No, I added domain typing manually. I know URL would not work. I will give you "secret": I am Chief Architect for API's in one of banks so, I am not novice in Internet matters. including certificates, domains, FQDN's and protocols Though Vivaldi behavior was surprising to me. I wish someone looks at this. I am Vivaldi proponent and I recommend it to everyone when t comes to privacy with some little sacrifices from Chrome.

[maciekskontakt]

@Pathduck said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

@maciekskontakt When you added the site, did you paste in the URL https://www.foxnews.com directly or did you just add www.foxnews.com ? I believe pasting in a URL does not always work, especially if you paste a full url (not just the domain).

The input just takes a host/domain string, although it should convert a URL to just the host/domain.

For instance pasting in the full URL:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/massive-hong-kong-fire-consumes-skyscraper-construction-raining-burning-embers-rain-street
This will not be recognized as a host/domain and will fail.

It works for me when adding just www.foxnews.com. I also recommend just using the domain foxnews.com

That's why the documentation recommends users use the URL bar button, to avoid mistakes:
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/tracking-and-ad-blocking/

I added few more including *.foxnews.com

No, wildcards won't work.

Ok. I will remove wildcard. That is different from some other browsers (at least in the past). It used to work, but I guess that is not standard for Vivaldi. I understand. No problem here.

[DoctorG]

@maciekskontakt said in Vivaldi blocks visibility of discussion forum under articles:

You comment seems to be rude

Its is rude to block non-US, you tell me that people can read others opinions on FoxNews, and i tell you that is a false fact as i am geo-blocked by FoxNews.
I can not understand why you defend FoxNews fror such bad behaviour.

[Pathduck]

@DoctorG It's really strange - I could connect to FoxNews from Norway just fine. Blocking Germany makes no sense.

Do you get the CloudFlare block or something else?
EDIT: Looks like they use Akamai.

Never thought I'd have to troubleshoot Fox News issues, but that's the lengths I go to help users

[Dash1253]

Well, thanks for the information on the Foxnews comment section block.
I too wanted Vivaldi as my default browser, but I couldn't view or comment on Foxnews articles so I went back to Firefox.
Vivaldi is back as my default.
BTW, Foxnews is my goto news source, when I need a good laugh I'll check out the mainstream media for delusional enjoyment!

[Dash1253]

@maciekskontakt Thanks for broaching the problem about Foxnews, that problem was driving me crazy.
Thanks again.