Das eMail Modul ist verschwunden
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Here you can see the glaring advantage of IMAP where mails are not deleted on server automatically when downloaded.
However, Pop3 accounts can also be configured to keep the mails on the server when they are downloaded.Probably Pop3 has some advantage. But I have no clue what that advantage could be.
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@Dancer18 said in Das eMail Modul ist verschwunden:
Here you can see the glaring advantage of IMAP
Really?
If users have 10.000, 100.000 or more mails and the Vivaldi mail database gets broken it is not fun to fetch/synchronise mails. -
@DoctorG OK, I didn't think of that variant. That is of course very much to consider.
To me the concept of email is NOT to archive mails forever. On the contrary: They should be used - more or less - on the fly.
If you want to archive them, there are ways to do it.
I am always overzealous with deleting even on the server. And I am glad that in the meantime various problems over the years with the various mail clients, the IMAP version ensures that the problem stays local and is easy to fix. -
Until a few weeks ago I only had one profile, my normal profile, my standard profile. I call it P1.
With the help of you gmg I was able to reconstruct my email addresses in this P1.
Because of a problem weeks ago with the recycle bin in mail, I was recommended here in this forum to create a second profile. This I call P2.P1 and P2 work under the identical mail address.
In P1 I have my addresses and the feeds but no mails.In P2 I have the mails (in and out), no addresses, no feeds. And in P2 I can receive mails, today I got a mail in this profile.
In the inbox of P2 I only have the number of mails that my mail provider GMX saves for me under POP3. The oldest is from december 2022.
Before this damage happened last weekend, I also had a lot of emails in Vivaldi that were significantly older. And among these were also important mails.
I am afraid these older mails (older than dec. 2022) I can not save.When I open the Vivaldi menu > about Vivaldi, I see as follows:
The executable path of P1 is:
/Volumes/MacintoshHD/ProgrammeMH/Vivaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/VivaldiThe profile path of P1 is: /Users/mh/Library/ApplicationSupport/Vivaldi/Default
The two paths in P2 are identical to P1.
@gmg said:
- go back to your main profile
- delete the account (it will also ask you whether you want to the messages on disk too which is unchecked by default so nothing should disappear)
- set up the account again
When I delete the account of my main profile P1, as you recommend, I am afraid I delete my addresses, which I painstakingly restored with your help.
Before I execute the points 1+2+3 is it possible to save my addresses in a shure/save place, e.g on an USB stick? -
@MHatMac OK. Good to know. I had assumed that all relevant mails were also in the P2 profile. However, that doesn't seem to be the case, so before you delete account P1, you should back up its
Mail
folder in the main profile (Default
), i.e. copy it somewhere.
I assume that the important mails are still contained there as well. You could also check it easily, just open that folder. The names for the different accounts in there are cryptic. So you have to try them all. Each account has subfolders for year, month, and day. Go to any day where there are files and open a file (probably *.eml format) and you will see which account it belongs to. This way you can also check now if there are mails from a certain date there.This way you can find out what is present in the
Mail
folder of your profile P1. Assuming that all treasures are still there, copy this folder somewhere, e.g. Desktop. After that you can safely do steps 1, 2 and 3 that @gmg suggested.OK?
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@MHatMac
Wait, the two paths are identical?
That doesn't make sense.
One should end with /Default and P2 should end with something else.
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@gmg
you are right, I made a mistake. I'm already confused about the complex problem. You are the expert.P1: The profile path ends with /Default
P2: The profile path ends with /Profile 1P2 ends with a reference to P1, is that correct?
Here are two screenshots:
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@Dancer18 said:
so before you delete account P1, you should back up its Mail folder in the main profile (Default), i.e. copy it somewhere.
Thanks for this tip, it was quite difficult to find the mail folder but I did. And I discovered 3 cryptic folders and also the subfolders (year, month, day). Some folders are empty. The oldest *.eml file I found is from 23.04.2021. This could be about the date when I opened and used the Vivaldi mail modul/ mail account the first time. Very good, so I am big step further with your help.
(Nachbemerkung: haben wir nicht früher schon einmal in Deutsch korrespondiert? Vielleicht im Dez., als es um meinen Mail Papierkorb ging? Das ist ja hier das deutsche Vivaldi Forum, von daher wäre deutsch angebracht. Auf der anderen Seite könnte dann gmg nicht einfach mitlesen und Hilfe anbieten)
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@MHatMac
Each cryptic folder there should be for one account. So if some are empty that means there are some empty accounts there.
Do you have backups on your computer that show whether they were empty a while ago too? Maybe you could find the profile as it used to be there? -
My email addresses are now back in profile 1, as I already wrote here.
And now I know where the mail folder is and I can save it.
But before I delete the e-mail account of P1 and create a new one, I would like to know how I can also secure my e-mail addresses. Are they also somewhere below the mail folder like the mails themselves? -
@MHatMac said in Das eMail Modul ist verschwunden:
how I can also secure my e-mail addresses. Are they also somewhere below the mail folder like the mails themselves?
What do you mean? Not sure I follow here...
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I do not mean my own mail address.
I mean the address book, how can I save it?When the address book is part of the folder structure below
.../Vivaldi/default/mail... then I dont need to save it, because I save mail and everything below.
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@MHatMac
Have you changed the address book a lot?
Otherwise it will be generated again from all the people you've sent a message to, so you don't need to worry about it....but if you want to save it and restore it then you just need to save the
Contacts
andContacts-journal
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Thank you.
The mail module hasn't been in Vivaldi for that long. I have email addresses that are much older. I took over old addresses manually from Opera mail.So I prefer your second suggestion.
Namely the Contacts and Contacts-journal files in the profile folder.
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To save my addressbook I have found the contacts and the contacts-journal in the folder named Profile 1, as you predicted.
You know I have two profiles: P1 (my normal profile) and P2 (my test profile).
In Vivaldi mail I have my adressbook with more that 200 addresses in P1.
So far so good.But:
When I go on OS level to the folder profile 1 and look into the contacts file I see only 3 addresses. Addresses which I wrote mails in the last two days.
And the contacts-journal file is empty (size 0 byte).
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@MHatMac
You only see three addresses?
Are you looking at the right profile?Are the in
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Yes, I see only 3 adresses on macOS level.
I find them in contacts file in
.../Library/ Application Support/Vivaldi/Profile 1/ContactsWithin Vivaldi I find the address book with all my addresses.
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@gmg
I found my addresses in another place.
They are not in profile1.
I found them in ...vivaldi/ defaultit's a bit irritating when Vivaldi saves multiple Contacts files in different locations.
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Well, the Default and Profile 1 are completely isolated.
Meaning you have separate mail, calendar, bookmarks, tabs, history, passwords etc. on these.So the
Default/Contact
is in the original profile you set up.
Profile 1/Contact
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As I already wrote, Profile 1 is my standard profile and the test profile is called Profile 2.
I have only these two profiles.
When i set up the test profile it was automatically named profile 2.
I didn't name it by myself.Thank you so far, gmg.
From tomorrow I am for 14 days absent and so I can not care about my problems with Vivaldi mail.