Das eMail Modul ist verschwunden
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@MHatMac said in Das eMail Modul ist verschwunden:
Within the same profile I can have several of accounts, but I can not switch to another because no account ist displayed, see my screenshot in my start topic. The komplete mail modul ist empty.
Yes, I mean I'm wondering whether adding another mail account... but I think it might be enough to just add a feed.
So before you do anything else go to vivaldi.com (or something similar) and add the feed from there and see whether the other mail accounts will just appear correctly
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@MHatMac Es ist möglich Vivaldi verschieden zu installieren, je nach dem was im Installer bei "Erweitert" gewählt wurde:
- "Für alle Windows-Nutzer"
- "Für den aktuellen WIndows-Nutzer"
- "Standalone" Installation
bei letzterer da können mehre unterschiedliche Versionen separat installiert werden
Nur so kann ich mir vorstellen, dass irgendein Profil nicht mehr auftaucht, weil du die falsche exe gestartet hast.
Such doch mal auf deinem ganzen PC im Explorer-Suchfeld nach der Datei vivaldi.exe.
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My IT knowledge is not good enough to understand what you mean.
I don't know what a feed is and how to add it and where.
Do you have a step by step instruction?I have a second profile and when I switch to it I can receive mails to my normal mail address, that doesn't exist in my standard profile.
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Ich habe es nicht ausdrücklich erwähnt, weil mein Name es schon klar machen sollte, ich sitze nicht vor einem Windows PC.
Der Hintergrund, warum ich bei dir nochmal nachfrage wegen einer doppelten Vivaldi Installation ist folgender:
Ich betreibe meinen iMac von einer externen SSD, auf der ist auch das macOS installiert. Die interne HDD benutze ich grundsätzlich nur noch als Datenspeicher von z.B. Fotos, Videos, Dokumenten.
Nun habe ich vor einiger Zeit festgestellt, dass macOS ungefragt Programme und auch Daten in einem Ordner ".../previously relocated items/Sicherheit/... installiert und speichert.
Wahrscheinlich aus Sicherheitsgründen, wenn das Betriebssystem auf einem externen Medium lagert (dieses könnte ja versehentlich während des Betriebs abgezogen werden).
Das verschwendet, nebenbei bemerkt, in meinen Augen viel Platz.Auf diese Weise habe ich wirklich zwei Vivaldi Installationen auf dem Mac. Und Vielleicht habe ich am Wochenende, als ich das Update auf 5.7.x machte, versehentlich, also unwissentlich, die zweite in dem oben beschriebenen Ordner aufgerufen.
Später dann die Version die ich normalerweise benutze und dann habe ich festgestellt, dass meine Mailabteilung komplett verschwunden ist.
Meine Vermutung: Durch den Start der falschen Version speichert Vivaldi meinen Mails und meine Mailadressen an irgendeiner anderen Stelle auf dem Rechner. Ich weiss nur nicht, wo. Das hoffe ich jedenfalls, denn das würde bedeuten, dass alles noch irgendwo vorhanden und noch nicht verloren/gelöscht ist.
Können wir alle in diese Richtung ein paar Überlegungen anstellen? -
@MHatMac
Just follow this and see whether the mail accounts appear again -
Thank you for your instruction.
And something positiv happend.(My vivaldi browser is set to German, so I don't know the English terms in the mail module)
First I discoverd 9 feed news in section Posteingang but no other incoming mails.
But on second glance I discovered all my e-mail addresses in the address book. -
Ok, are all your messages still on the server?
If yes- Then you could delete the accounts from settings and set the accounts up again
If no
Then you'd need to find the emails in your user profile
You can find the user profile location vivaldi://about/- Open the profile location
- Copy Mail folder
- Upload the messages from there to their account through webmail
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Thank you for continuing to help me. Now I have to do some other duties. I think I can contact you in the afternoon.
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are all your messages still on the server?
I don't know, I hope so, because I did not delete them.
Am I getting you right, I can delete my mail account? I don't dare to do that without your confirmation. -
Vivaldi has at least not deleted them if you've got the default settings on.
You should be able to check by- Check the webmail
or - Set up mail again on a different profile to check whether all the messages show up there (if they do you can delete that profile and set up mail again on your main profile)
- Check the webmail
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@MHatMac If I understand it correctly, there are your mails in the other profile. You can either copy and paste or overwrite the corresponding folder and the database file into your main profile.
The folder is calledMail
and the database fileMailDB
. Both are in profile folderDefault
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You can find the path to it withvivaldi:about
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Yes
Mail
is going to contain a copy of your messages
MailDB
is just your search database though.
Storage/ext/mpog…/def/IndexDB
is where the database with most of the other stuff is
Preferences
has a bit of account informationBut yes, if you drag over the
Mail
folder to your profile then you don't need to fetch the messages again. -
@gmg Thanks! Good to know.
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Ok, are all your messages still on the server?
Maybe we're not talking about the same subject and I misuderstood what you mean by "server". By server I meant my computer and you meant by server the Vivaldi webmail server, is that correct?
My mail account works not with IMAP, I use still POP3.
The lost mails (in and out) I am looking for, must be on my iMac.So it can be a big mistake, when I delete my mail account under POP3.
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@MHatMac That is why it's safe to still have it in second profile.
There are the mails stored (in folderMail
).
I propose you first have a look where this folder is.
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POP3 doesn't always delete messages from a mail server.
Vivaldi currently by default does not.
The server might do it itself though.In any case you should be able to see whether that's the case by
- switching to another profile (not deleting anything)
- And set it up again to check whether all the mail comes in there
If this is the case then you can
- go back to your main profile
- delete the account (it will also ask you whether you want to the messages on disk too which is unchecked by default so nothing should disappear)
- set up the account again
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Here you can see the glaring advantage of IMAP where mails are not deleted on server automatically when downloaded.
However, Pop3 accounts can also be configured to keep the mails on the server when they are downloaded.Probably Pop3 has some advantage. But I have no clue what that advantage could be.
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@Dancer18 said in Das eMail Modul ist verschwunden:
Here you can see the glaring advantage of IMAP
Really?
If users have 10.000, 100.000 or more mails and the Vivaldi mail database gets broken it is not fun to fetch/synchronise mails. -
@DoctorG OK, I didn't think of that variant. That is of course very much to consider.
To me the concept of email is NOT to archive mails forever. On the contrary: They should be used - more or less - on the fly.
If you want to archive them, there are ways to do it.
I am always overzealous with deleting even on the server. And I am glad that in the meantime various problems over the years with the various mail clients, the IMAP version ensures that the problem stays local and is easy to fix. -
Until a few weeks ago I only had one profile, my normal profile, my standard profile. I call it P1.
With the help of you gmg I was able to reconstruct my email addresses in this P1.
Because of a problem weeks ago with the recycle bin in mail, I was recommended here in this forum to create a second profile. This I call P2.P1 and P2 work under the identical mail address.
In P1 I have my addresses and the feeds but no mails.In P2 I have the mails (in and out), no addresses, no feeds. And in P2 I can receive mails, today I got a mail in this profile.
In the inbox of P2 I only have the number of mails that my mail provider GMX saves for me under POP3. The oldest is from december 2022.
Before this damage happened last weekend, I also had a lot of emails in Vivaldi that were significantly older. And among these were also important mails.
I am afraid these older mails (older than dec. 2022) I can not save.When I open the Vivaldi menu > about Vivaldi, I see as follows:
The executable path of P1 is:
/Volumes/MacintoshHD/ProgrammeMH/Vivaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/VivaldiThe profile path of P1 is: /Users/mh/Library/ApplicationSupport/Vivaldi/Default
The two paths in P2 are identical to P1.
@gmg said:
- go back to your main profile
- delete the account (it will also ask you whether you want to the messages on disk too which is unchecked by default so nothing should disappear)
- set up the account again
When I delete the account of my main profile P1, as you recommend, I am afraid I delete my addresses, which I painstakingly restored with your help.
Before I execute the points 1+2+3 is it possible to save my addresses in a shure/save place, e.g on an USB stick?