"Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin
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@ingolftopf said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
I consider this to be a misinterpretation.
I'm not implying that Aspy believes the Founders were hypocrites in this matter. I'm merely implying that Ayespy's position would lead to that conclusion, hence, Ayespy's position is wrong. If I have misinterpreted Ayespy's position, he's free to correct me.
I have the impression that you want to provoke something at the moment.
I'm having this debate with a mod! If I wanted to "provoke something", that'd be a foolish thing for me to do.
Edit: Not only is Ayespy a mod, he's someone who's very insightful. We don't always see eye-to-eye, but when it comes to serious matters like this, he's worth listening to.
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@Eggcorn said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
Of course, even Hitler's government banned rebellion against it.
as a safeguard against a future George III (or worse, a future Hitler).These Hitler comparisons are always wrong and misplaced.
This always only relativizes the Nazi dictatorship in Germany from that time.Dank an alle hier! Klasse Browser, tolles Forum.
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@Eggcorn said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
I'm not implying that Aspy believes the Founders were hypocrites in this matter.
No, how also, these were also your words.
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@Eggcorn said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
I'm having this debate with a mod! If I wanted to "provoke something", that'd be a foolish thing for me to do.
What are you trying to imply?
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@Eggcorn said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
Edit: Not only is Ayespy a mod, he's someone who's very insightful. We don't always see eye-to-eye, but when it comes to serious matters like this, he's worth listening to.
Good thought
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@ingolftopf said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
These Hitler comparisons are always wrong and misplaced.
This always only relativizes the Nazi dictatorship in Germany from that time.Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Zedong, take your pick. Hitler's just the most famous example. Mass-murdering genocidal dictators have existed before, they can and will exist again! No country is immune to that risk.
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@Eggcorn
Please let me ask you something, this question has been bothering me for a while.Do you think the Democrats in the USA are Nazis, "enemies of the people"?
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@Eggcorn
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@ingolftopf I'm sure there are politicians in both major political parties who would stamp out democracy, and become a dictator, if they could get away with it. There have always been power-hungry people in government, and there always will be!
Beyond that, I have no comment on the political parties of the United States.
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Thank you for your reply.
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@Ayespy At this point, I don't think we disagree on much regarding the law and anti-government violence. We both agree that it's illegal, and foolish, to threaten elected officials and the like! Neither of us are with folks who riot and claim to be on the side of justice. Perhaps you don't quite agree with me as to why the Founding Fathers gave us the Second Amendment.
As for your previous point about de-platforming and all, as I said previously:
@Eggcorn said in "Snowflake Makes It Easy For Anyone to Fight Censorship" by Cooper Quintin:
The price of free speech is that people are free to spew verbal diarrhea. That's why this forum is not a free speech zone: We don't want to deal with the verbal diarrhea that comes with free speech. There's nothing wrong with that: We're not a government, we're not taking away someone's right to free speech! We're just telling them that this forum is private property, and they can speak freely somewhere else.
In principle: I recognize the right of big tech to censor. If it's your website, your property, you get to set whatever rules you want. I also see the wisdom of censoring verbal diarrhea, if you want a website people will want to visit. Now, here's why I say "in principle":
#1: There's a strong anti-trust argument to be made, an argument that big tech goes well out of its way to shut down competitors who don't share their biases.
#2: Big tech is biased; they censor more than just verbal diarrhea.
#3: There's a strong argument that big tech is now the de-facto public square. That if we want a healthy democracy, people must be able to express political opinions on social media without fear of biased mods punishing them for it.
Some US states have passed laws restricting Big Tech from censoring content. I don't like that, I don't want it to come to that. Such laws open up a can of worms, they endanger property rights and even free speech rights: If I'm forced to have content on my website, I'm being forced to say something I don't want to say. That is not free speech!
Fortunately, Elon Musk (the new owner of Twitter) may have found a less problematic solution to big tech bias. Someone suggested that Twitter have two modes, a censored and uncensored mode. When the mods censor something, you could still see that censored content if you switch to uncensored mode. Musk seemed to like that idea, and I like it too. I hope it works out!
