32 vs 64 bit Vivaldi.
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Your assertion as to 32-bit machines being too old and slow to run Vivaldi could not be further off base
I mean in general.
You know I'm still run happily a tablet from 2003, a RAM upgrade and an SSD made it well usable even with win 8.1.
But that said we all know that Vivaldi is perceived by many people as slow even on actual machines, because i's non native UI (greatly improved but still slower than many other browsers)
So hardly Vivaldi will provide a satisfactory . Personally on old machines I prefer to run Opera 12 (or say chrome 5), relegating Vivaldi or other browsers to more sensitive tasks, like home banking, online shopping and so on.
In short Vivaldi is bought over Chromium which, in turn, isn't build with older machines in mind. That's a fact that we can't change.
Then the choice is up the single user, as usual.
You are unwilling to upgrade, and I understand so, hence I mentioned those kind of scenarios on my previous post.
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@digitaltoast:
I dare say that the 32-bit version seemed speedier…
Possible?
It's not just possible is almost sure.
On windows prefer the x64 version just for data crunching SW. Phothoshop, 3dstudio, any multimedia converter, any file compressor (7zip, win rar and so on)
"normal programs" hardly have any improvement by the x64 architecture, but almost certainly are bigger to load, slower to start, maybe by a small margin but still the x32 are the winners.
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In school we only have 64-bit fedora. in the past fedora refused to install 32-bit programs when I tried it. So I can image there could be problems with only 32-bit or only 64-bit. I could try to install vivaldi on a fedora machine for giggles next time I'm there.
I'm not willing to try the 64-bit version on my 32-bit netbook (lxde) or the 32-bit version on my 64-bit desktop pc(unity) though.
As there are more casual users than gamers, I don't think gamers with gaming pcs are a factor. Then I remembered that casual users use pcs and notebooks less and less, but stick to their mobile devices. So maybe I'm not sure what the market is like.
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Linux situation is way different than windowsone many x64 distros are x64 only, no ties with x86 compatibilities, less crap dragged from the past. They started also before MS that spent many years on IA64, a questionable choice to say the best.
In short x64 on linux means usually more advantages than disadvantages.
Speaking about your problem, you had just to install the libs32 that almost certainly were not installed by default, anyway is very rare to have to deal with 32bit programs on linux x64, it happens mostly on proprietary SW, which isn't possible to recompile. But almost everything else is available in both flavours.
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Maybe you should move this discussion out of the linux part of the forum and into the general part, if it is not exclusively about vivaldi in linux systems? This is somewhat confusing to me.
Also I'm not sure what my problem is, but I guess you mean my inability to install 32-bit programs on 64-bit fedora? It's a weird thing with the computers in Uni, we can install stuff, but I don't bother too much, since there is something wrong with them. By something wrong I mean, that our administrator accidentally set them to reset to a certain default state, after every update. So every time somebody updates, which happens, because we don't get any instructions for our pc-lab, everything we tinkled with on one of the computers is gone.
We tried last week to install chromium and failed, so I guess I won't have any luck with vivaldi anyway. Non the less I'll give it a shot next week. -
Maybe you should move this discussion out of the linux part of the forum and into the general part, if it is not exclusively about vivaldi in linux systems? This is somewhat confusing to me.
32 v.s. 64 is a general question. But for windows the question is almost reversed.
Anyway, here, the original question was about the relevance of x86 buil on linux. So the linux room is its natural place
As for your school computer obviously it it's locked and/or poorly mantained, everything can happen.
But you can try to install a standalone version that affects just a single user, following ruario's instructions
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Linux situation is way different than windowsone many x64 distros are x64 only, no ties with x86 compatibilities, less crap dragged from the past.
Linux distributions just took years to figure out multilib, while Windows did WoW64 correctly from the start. So initially 64 bit Linux was 64 bit only. They sugar-coated the fact, that they weren't able to relibably install/run 32/64 bit binaries side-by-side with "less crap dragged from the past". While WINE happily runs 16 bit binaries from the real past. :lol:
Nowdadays it's a solved problem, while Debian got it wrong (lib32), everyone else got it right (lib64). Though x86 and x86-64 both aren't the answer on Linux, x32 might be it.
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Linux distributions just took years to figure out multilib
Frankly I never had a single problem on Linux x64 due to the split library, since the beginning, surely I had more problem with the usual split in opposite factions about everything starting from the position of the configuration files, of the boot scripts, the use of separated option directory and so on.
So initially 64 bit Linux was 64 bit only
Maybe the very first experimental distros were, but at the time XP64 was still in beta1 Linux was already working w/o much troubles, but likely your mileage was different from mine because the use of different distros
Nowdadays it's a solved problem, while Debian got it wrong (lib32), everyone else got it right (lib64)
Many distros simply switched over time taking the libs with no numbers added as the current ones and the ones with a trailing number as the less common, that varie over rime, so did the libs placement. Frankly I cared very little of that detail
But if you want to talk of things good/wrong regarding the libraries I can't be silent about windows Wint the x64dir called \system32 and the x32 dir called \syswow64. I still don't care, but…. :lol:
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First Debian treated "amd64" like a complete new plattform (like "arm" for example), which resulted in an useless 64 bit only platform. Later someone noticed you might want to run 32 bit binaries, so they had the awful idea of additionally putting 32 bit libraries under /usr/lib32. But legacy 32 bit applications expect them under /usr/lib. So Debian has to patch each and every 32 bit package to make it work with their broken multilib implementation.
System32 is there since the first release of Windows NT, regardless of the architecture. (NT was developed first for the fictional N-Ten ("NT") platform, so IBM doesn't notice that MS is planning to abandon OS/2).
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Hello,
i find different behavior on vivaldi-32 vs vivaldi-64.
i try both vivaldi-1-1 32 and 64 on a linux slack-14 64 bits machine.
-> vivaldi-32 offers only a limited feature of google maps ("lite mode"). while vivaldi-64 offers the full mode for google maps.
(note that chrome-32 also offers only lite mode of google maps).
so i must use vivaldi-64 to have the expected behavior in google maps…
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On microsofts windows there are way to many 32 systems still, so you'll need both versions.
For Linux, everybody that's not bound by being users on somebody else's system or by ancient or strange hardware are on 64 bit systems, if there's no 'Vivaldi 64 bit' version they'll flee. Allmost every Linux user is a poweruser on some level, having a mayor application with a '32 bit' sign on it will be a huge turn-off no matter real world differences. -
If Vivaldi decides to remove one the two builds and I would have to chose which one, I would always keep the 32 bit build around and drop the 64 bit. One build runs everywhere, while the other one doesn't. On 64 bit hosts, a 32 bit binary can use a full 4 GB of memory per process. And each tab has one process.
Linux servers are all x86-64 now, but 32 bit only client CPUs (x86 and ARM) are still in production and will be around for a while.
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It differs from one platform to the next. 64-only might make sense for Linux and Mac (though it would mean I could no longer have Vivaldi on my Lubuntu) and 32-only would make perfect sense for Windows.
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Hello,
i find different behavior on vivaldi-32 vs vivaldi-64.
i try both vivaldi-1-1 32 and 64 on a linux slack-14 64 bits machine.
-> vivaldi-32 offers only a limited feature of google maps ("lite mode"). while vivaldi-64 offers the full mode for google maps.
(note that chrome-32 also offers only lite mode of google maps).
so i must use vivaldi-64 to have the expected behavior in google maps…
or is there any plugin that i should add???on the other side, i encounter other issues, specifically on vivaldi-64:
- flashplayer (libpepflashplayer.so latest taken from chrome-64) does not work properly (example: nothing displayed when connecting to deezer). while flashplayer (libpepflashplayer.so taken from chrome-32) seems to work OK within vivaldi-32 (tested on deezer).
- html-5 player does not work properly (example: black video and no sound in youtube). while html-5 player seems to work OK within vivaldi-32 (tested on youtube).
=> seeing that, i'd rather use vivaldi-32 despite my machine is a 64…
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I've been 64-bit for more than a decade. My Solaris server (soon to be replaced with F25) is running Solaris 10, a March 2008 release. The Linux F14 box is x86_64, as well as the new box that is running x86_64 F25. The new box is where I am posting this from, using 64-bit Vivaldi-snapshot (latest version as of a few days ago).
I will only install 32-bit software if it is the only version available.
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hello,
I saw that, with Vivaldi 1.10 32bit support is suspended. Anybody knows why, or it will back in product?
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@JSJB Yes. Chromium does. And Vivaldi wants to keep it, too. But changes to the chromium 59 code, which Vivaldi recently took in, made it devilishly hard to compile a 32-bit version of Vivaldi for Linux. Hence, in the latest snapshot, there is no 32-bit Linux version. Vivaldi's aim is to support the oldest hardware it can, including all 32-bit systems running Linux, but chromium has thrown a monkey wrench in the works, and Vivaldi is trying to fix it.
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@JSJB I don't know. I know the Vivaldi devs tried to compile a 32-bit version and couldn't. If it is now the case that 32-bit Chromium for Linux can no longer be compiled, we'll learn that soon enough. It would be a shame.
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If there will be question which version drop, in general, for sure drop 32bit. It may be tough step, but otherwise things will not move furher. How long we have full 64bit OS? 10+ years? And most of software is still 32bit. I haven't seen running PC with 32 bit Linux. Even friends which were blidnly trying to install Linux, were installing 64bit versions. In company sphere, for sure we everywhere are using 64bit.
On Windows, I prefer also 64bit software becase 32bit software runs in emulation on 64bit OS (see WoW64 details on MSDN), there must be twice DLL's loaded, running processes etc. A lot of garbage, which must be present because of compatibility. And by droping 64bit version as somebody here mentioned, will not help to get rid of that. 64bit is the future.
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@Gwen-Dragon I have Asus EEE PC with Atom stored in the drawer, because its only proper thing which Atom can do properly :). I tried there minimal Fedora 32bit installation with XFCE few years ago, which tooks <100MB of Ram, and it was pain to use.
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