Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook
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@jonyork2 This is not a Vivaldi problem. As others have reported, it occurs in other browsers too. For me, it works with no issues in Vivaldi.
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@pafflick For me it is a Vivaldi problem. It does not occur with Chrome, Firefox, Cent, Brave or Edge with my computer set to the higher visual settings.
Do you have a 4K or 5K monitor? And if so, do you have the size set to 130% or above?
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@jonyork2 I assume you're comparing clean profiles and default settings (with similar adjustments) in all browsers? Otherwise, such a comparison will not yield any meaningful results.
Vivaldi uses the same rendering engine for web pages as other Chromium-based browsers, so issues like that are very unlikely to be browser-specific. If it was a Vivaldi-specific issue, then a) more Vivaldi users would complain about it, b) users of other browsers wouldn't complain about it, and c) users would complain about similar issues on other websites. And in this case, all of these points seem to be untrue. Therefore, it's a 99,9% chance that it's a problem with Facebook, which has to be addressed by their web developers.
If you still believe that it's a Vivaldi issue (although a quick google search seems to contradict that theory), and were able to reproduce it consistently in a clean profile, then please provide the exact reproduction steps, so that we could investigate it. Learn more about it here.
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My problem has nothing to do with the backspace key.
Anyway, your response to users with legitimate problems that have been reported and repeated by others is basically to say we don't know what we're talking about.
You've made a point and think you've won an argument, but you have not won a happy user.
I know it uses Chromium like every other browser, but obviously there's something that has been done to it that makes it act differently than other Chromium-based browsers in this situation. And since it isn't happening in any other browser I've ever used, I believe there's a 99.9% chance that the problem is with Vivaldi. Facebook obviously wouldn't let it go more than a day if this was happening on all browsers!
You seem more interested creating and winning arguments and in making users with legitimate problems feel stupid than you are in actually helping to solve the problem. Other users have been far more helpful than you.
And I don't think I'll be contacting Facebook to say THEY have a problem with Vivaldi. I can just imagine the response would be something like "Vi-who?"
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@jonyork2 said in Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook:
My problem has nothing to do with the backspace key.
You didn't explain what your problem is, so I had to make a guess based on other posts in this thread (and the Internet). Turns out my guess was inaccurate - sorry about that. But I can confirm - the problem seems not to be exclusive to the use of the Backspace key and was reported for browsers such as Chrome, Edge or Opera (source). It seems to occur in specific circumstances - perhaps that's why it's not widely known - I don't know for sure.
@jonyork2 said in Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook:
Anyway, your response to users with legitimate problems that have been reported and repeated by others is basically to say we don't know what we're talking about.
I'm sorry, but this is totally untrue. I merely explained how these things work, and asked for the reproduction steps (while providing links to relevant guides), as I've been trying to replicate this issue on two different computers, with two different operating systems, with different page zoom levels, different system DPI, and the page didn't show any wrong behaviour (no jumping).
@jonyork2 said in Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook:
obviously there's something that has been done to it that makes it act differently than other Chromium-based browsers in this situation
AFAIK there is nothing like that. Page jumping could be caused by scripts execution - and things like that usually work similarly across browsers (especially those using the same rendering engines).
@jonyork2 said in Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook:
I believe there's a 99.9% chance that the problem is with Vivaldi
Then how do you explain so many reports of this issue for other browsers?
@jonyork2 said in Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook:
Facebook obviously wouldn't let it go more than a day if this was happening on all browsers!
Apparently, they do - hence so many reports of this issue for all the other browsers. I assume they didn't fix it yet, as not that many users change the page zoom levels (or whatever else is the contributing factor here). But again - that's just my guess, I haven't seen this issue myself yet.
@jonyork2 said in Page jumping when focusing comment boxes on Facebook:
You seem more interested creating and winning arguments and in making users with legitimate problems feel stupid than you are in actually helping to solve the problem.
Sorry if you felt that way. It's hard to say whether the other person already knows anything about web development or browser engines after only a brief exhange - that's why I thought explaining it in more detail should help to make things more clear. But if you already have some experience in this field, you should probably realize that reporting issues by saying: "you need to fix this" while not providing any meaningful feedback is not going to help anyone.
I did everything I could at this point to help to solve the problem. If it's a Vivaldi issue, there has to be a way to reproduce it. But if we cannot replicate the problem, then how can we ever address it? In other words - how to fix something that is not broken?
Besides, people often complain about something being broken in Vivaldi (while allegedly working perfectly fine in all the other browsers) only to realize (after more thorough troubleshooting), that the problem was in fact caused by something on their end (usually drivers/extensions/3rd-party software etc.). I don't blame them of course, as I'm not expecting everyone to be an IT specialist, but the fact is, that unless the person is willing to cooperate (and put some effort into the troubleshooting), then it's going to be hard for us to help them fix whatever problem they're trying to solve. -
If you read through the thread you saw that one guy said he was using a 5K monitor. I'm using a 4K monitor. So maybe it only effects people using those monitors. So, please try that on your end with whatever other variations you're using. Thank you.
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@jonyork2 OK so a couple of questions for you then since you've read the topic:
- Does setting webpage zoom to less than 130% solve the issue?
- Have you tested in other browsers with webpage zoom set to 130% or above?
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@jonyork2 I can only test on a 4K screen, I don't have a 5K one. But the most important question is - where on Facebook does the issue appear? It looks like they changed how the main feed works - now after focusing any comment, the entire post is turned into a "modal window", preventing the page from scrolling. It didn't work like that just two days ago. I wonder if others are seeing this too, or whether it's some kind of an A/B test. I guess the issue might not be reproducible anymore after this change.
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@pafflick I still have the same problem (and I don't have a fancy screen, only 1920*1200. Messing around with zoom factors does not change anything.
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@tokoloko What are the exact steps to reproduce the problem? I tried it on 3 different screens now, with different DPI and browser zoom settings, and I haven't encountered any issues while using Facebook in Vivaldi. Could you be more specific, please?
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@pafflick Well - I open Facebook and enter a comment to a posting
From what I read it seems not to be so easy to reproduce. Maybe you can write me, then we can have a teams session and I can show it on my screen. -
@tokoloko I'm afraid you need to be a little bit more specific than that. Do you open the main feed or a page/group/profile? Are you focusing the main comment input field or a reply to another comment? Does the page move while typing or erasing text?
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@pafflick I open Facebook and am in the main newsfeed. Under some postings there is a input box where I can type a comment. I click in this input box. The the cursor blinks in this box. As soon as I type a letter, then the page scrolls down exactly so much that the input box is just above the upper edge of the screen - so it's unvisible. I can scroll up a little so that I can see the input box again. Then I can type in text quite normally. But: as soon as I hit the backspace key, then this scrolling happens again and the input box disappears just above the upper edge of the screen. I can now scroll it back to the visible area and can continue typing. If I hit the delete key, then it just deletes the character right of the cursor, but it does not scroll.
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@tokoloko Interesting. Not sure if that's some A/B test that Facebook is running at the moment, but as soon as I focus on any comment field, the post is opened in a modal kind of window, and any scrolling of the page is impossible until the post is dismissed.
Can you reproduce that issue on a friend's profile or a FB page, like https://www.facebook.com/vivaldi.browser/? I don't get these modals there.
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@pafflick Yes, same behaviour on this page.
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@pafflick Interesting. I just tried in the "guest" profile - and it does not happen in this one! So it seems to be one of my extensions. Or can you guess any other reasons?
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@tokoloko I'd start by disabling the extensions (all at once or one by one) and refreshing the Facebook page to see if the issue is gone in your main profile (some extensions might still interrupt pages after being turned off, hence at least a page refresh is required).
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@pafflick Got it. It was the "OldLayout" extension. Maybe others who have this issue use this extension, too?
