Data Collection
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@homeboy232 said in Data Collection:
you dont sell on any data unless a court order requests you to do so.
That should say "pass on your data unless" as, obviously, a court order does NOT have a payment to the company!
Note: "I'm sorry, but we do not save that data!" is a valid response to a court order (e.g. IP address, although they may be able to tell if that address is currently active on Vivaldi servers at the time the order is served). -
@catweazle I am not saying the data collected is used for bad purposes, but that Vivaldi and @jon shouldn’t go around claiming no data is collected.
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@catweazle No, webmail data is not encrypted.
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@code3 said in Data Collection:
@catweazle I am not saying the data collected is used for bad purposes, but that Vivaldi and @jon shouldn’t go around claiming no data is collected.
We are not collecting data on our users and making profiles on them. That is not who we are. We do count our users. That is something different.
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Agreed. The use of the word data on it's own is perhaps too vague, as this topic keeps coming back time after time.
Not sure how much more plainly it can be explained.
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We don't need to worry in the UK. We have The Data Protection Act.
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@jon My user profile shows every post I upvoted. That is data. Everything is data. Being the CEO of the company your wording is too vague and could be misleading or get you in legal trouble.
You could say:
From the browser, we only collect installation data that is not tied to a user, unless you use sync, and then we will collect encrypted data.
From Vivaldi.net services, we of course store data like emails, posts, upvotes, blog posts, and other things absolutely necessary to provide these services.
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A public forum can never be private, which is evident, anyone can consult the posts of this forum, even if they are not a Vivaldi user. The only way is to block access to the unregistered, but this in a technological forum is counterproductive and also does not guarantee privacy from other users. Different is that any user can not find out from another user than the Nick and certain opinions that he posts, which for practical purposes does not affect privacy at all.
The only privacy gap that can be criticized is that the Vivaldi mail is invariably linked to the user's nick, so anyone can know the email address of any user[email protected]
For this reason, I would never use Vivaldi mail for official or important things.
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@catweazle Public data is still data. @jon just needs to be more careful with his wording.
For instance, this is true: Vivaldi only collects anonymous data like your OS unless you sign up for an account. Any data synced is encrypted.
This is false: Vivaldi collects no data.
As @juanvase said, “data” is too broad.
Definition of data:
information in digital form that can be transmitted or processed
So @jon has said that no information collected by Vivaldi is in a digital form?
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@code3 You need to revise your definition of "collect." Factually, Vivaldi does not collect data. Webmail and Calendar being hosted by servers which they administer does not mean they are "collecting" data.
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@ayespy You may be right, I did not think of this. But where do you draw the line between collecting and saving data? And wouldn’t Vivaldi be making a collection of emails, both sent and received? Can you have a collection without collecting? (I definitely don’t want to be a lawyer)
The words “we do not collect your data” are still false. And Jon says “so there is nothing to share,” but can’t emails be shared by the administrator, even if they aren’t collected?
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@code3 said in Data Collection:
And wouldn’t Vivaldi be making a collection of emails, both sent and received?
No. They administer a service, and do not spy on the service. Tell me: Do you feel that Vivaldi should discontinue providing webmail and web-based calendar services, because these services handle data? Is it your assumption that because someone administers a service, they automatically take possession of everything that passes through it, analyze it, and use it to their advantage (like Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc.)? Is this how cynical and jaded we have become?
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@ayespy To be clear, I am not suggesting Vivaldi stops their data collection, only that they not claim no data is collected whatsoever.
@ayespy said in Data Collection:
Google, Facebook, Twitter
You forgot Amazon
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@code3 You and I use different definitions of "collect" Per your definition, the U.S. Department of Transportation "collects" all of the vehicles traveling across the country on Interstate 40.
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