Data Collection
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Can anyone explain the following:
You say you dont collect data which is wonderful but you also say you dont sell on any data unless a court order requests you to do so.
From that I understand you collect all the data but dont pass it on. In the event of your servers being hacked then although you dont pass it on the hackers most certainly would.
So, the question is how is this ensuring our security when using the browser? -
None of your data is collected, so there is nothing to share. We do not collect your browsing history or have access to your browsing history in any form. Even things you sync is encrypted using a password we have no knowledge of.
As a company we are not in the business of data collection. We have no interest in your data.
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@homeboy232 , if the server is hacked, the only thing that can see the hacker are your encryptet data, nothing else. Vivaldi itself can't access to this data (If you lost your password, Vivaldi can't recover your data nor your password.
Vivaldi collect your data, which are your OS, Vivaldi version and the country where you are., statistic values.
If you are a criminal Vivaldi can give them access, with a court order, to your IP and ISP, this is required by law.
The buisiness model of the Vivaldi cooperative isn't based in the user data which they sell.
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@catweazle Thanks for your response. However, if as you and Vivaldi say it is encrypted which I dont dispute, how would a court order for them to hand over your data to authorities be of any value?
As we all know hackers are as good as anyone in getting information so what would stop them in this case?
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@homeboy232 It might be valueless and indecipherable but one supposes law enforcement could still require the production of the worthless file.
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@homeboy232 , in the case of a court order, what interests the authorities is to locate the author. This information is provided to them by the ISP.
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@homeboy232 When using the browser, little data is collected unencrypted.
Using services like Mail is different, and may explain some (if not all) of the conflicting information.
I don’t get why jon said no data is collected, even encrypted data is still data and could be demanded by law enforcement. And of course mail calendar and contact data on webmail is unencrypted. And forum data is definitely stored, even deleted posts.
And the statement “we have no interest in your data” doesn’t make sense when they collect telemetry.
Personally I am fine with the telemetry, but he shouldn’t say that he has no interest in our data.
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@code3 , the guy from the town hall on the side of the road and who counts the cars that pass, points out the number of these but little who owns them and where they go. He counts them simply to find out the volume of traffic on this road.
Well, these statistical values are what Vivaldi collects, nothing that implies a privacy problem,
Mail and Feed are data that is saved locally and when synchronized, it also becomes encrypted.
The only thing that is publicly visible is what you write in this and other forums and social networks.
That they can give your registration data and encrypted data from the server to the authorities by court order is their obligation, although it will be of little use to the authorities, but if your ISP may interest them, it does have all your data they need to pay you a visit.Good morning
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@homeboy232 said in Data Collection:
you dont sell on any data unless a court order requests you to do so.
That should say "pass on your data unless" as, obviously, a court order does NOT have a payment to the company!
Note: "I'm sorry, but we do not save that data!" is a valid response to a court order (e.g. IP address, although they may be able to tell if that address is currently active on Vivaldi servers at the time the order is served). -
@catweazle I am not saying the data collected is used for bad purposes, but that Vivaldi and @jon shouldn’t go around claiming no data is collected.
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@catweazle No, webmail data is not encrypted.
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@code3 said in Data Collection:
@catweazle I am not saying the data collected is used for bad purposes, but that Vivaldi and @jon shouldn’t go around claiming no data is collected.
We are not collecting data on our users and making profiles on them. That is not who we are. We do count our users. That is something different.
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Agreed. The use of the word data on it's own is perhaps too vague, as this topic keeps coming back time after time.
Not sure how much more plainly it can be explained.
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We don't need to worry in the UK. We have The Data Protection Act.
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@jon My user profile shows every post I upvoted. That is data. Everything is data. Being the CEO of the company your wording is too vague and could be misleading or get you in legal trouble.
You could say:
From the browser, we only collect installation data that is not tied to a user, unless you use sync, and then we will collect encrypted data.
From Vivaldi.net services, we of course store data like emails, posts, upvotes, blog posts, and other things absolutely necessary to provide these services.
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A public forum can never be private, which is evident, anyone can consult the posts of this forum, even if they are not a Vivaldi user. The only way is to block access to the unregistered, but this in a technological forum is counterproductive and also does not guarantee privacy from other users. Different is that any user can not find out from another user than the Nick and certain opinions that he posts, which for practical purposes does not affect privacy at all.
The only privacy gap that can be criticized is that the Vivaldi mail is invariably linked to the user's nick, so anyone can know the email address of any user[email protected]
For this reason, I would never use Vivaldi mail for official or important things.
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@catweazle Public data is still data. @jon just needs to be more careful with his wording.
For instance, this is true: Vivaldi only collects anonymous data like your OS unless you sign up for an account. Any data synced is encrypted.
This is false: Vivaldi collects no data.
As @juanvase said, “data” is too broad.
Definition of data:
information in digital form that can be transmitted or processed
So @jon has said that no information collected by Vivaldi is in a digital form?
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@code3 You need to revise your definition of "collect." Factually, Vivaldi does not collect data. Webmail and Calendar being hosted by servers which they administer does not mean they are "collecting" data.