Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?

[Eggcorn]

@Zalex108 Alternative medicine is a scam, for the most part. But there are a few things in alternative medicine, that are actual legitimate medicine. Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

[Zalex108]

@Eggcorn said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

@Zalex108 Alternative medicine is a scam, for the most part. But there are a few things in alternative medicine, that are actual legitimate medicine. Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

Just was a joke about what many people think.

is a scam, for the most part

Do you mean Alternative medicine or people using something renamed to Alternative medicine to do scams?

[Eggcorn]

@Zalex108 said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

Do you mean Alternative medicine or people using something renamed to Alternative medicine to do scams?

Both, I guess.

[Zalex108]

@Eggcorn said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

@Zalex108 said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

Do you mean Alternative medicine or people using something renamed to Alternative medicine to do scams?

Both, I guess.

There could be all kind of experiences, mine are good.

[Eggcorn]

@Zalex108 @Catweazle @purgat0ri @Ayespy

This is has been a worthwhile conversation. But I'd like to see what page you folks are on, on this thread's original topic: It seems, most search-engines have blacklisted "election fraud" from their search-suggestions. Is that okay, in your book?

[Zalex108]

@Eggcorn said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

@Zalex108 @Catweazle @purgat0ri @Ayespy

This is has been a worthwhile conversation. But I'd like to see what page you folks are on, on this thread's original topic: It seems, most search-engines have blacklisted "election fraud" from their search-suggestions. Is that okay, in your book?

I don't search using suggestions.

Did a test and saw about the relevant results at the bottom which seems uncommon for something quite specific.

The problem is that on Private Platform, they are in chief about their decisions.
Which has to be accepted.

Despite that,
They can say it clearly "We are from the Dark Side, the Truth will be banned here."

Instead of the kind of responses they use when Ban a Video or a Channel.
If they do that on Youtube, what would happen on GSearches without notification?

[Ayespy]

@Eggcorn I actually don't care. The only use I make of suggestions is if I see what I was typing appear in the list, and then I click on it to reduce the number of keys I have to strike.

It's not up to Google (or anyone) to suggest to me what I'm going to search. I'm perfectly capable of doing that on my own. The only use for "suggestions" is as a time saver. And in the best of times, it's not all that good at that. But if I start to type "Pennsylvania Corporation Search" and that full search term appears by the time I get to "Pennsylvania cor" then I may click on the suggestion to save time.

[Eggcorn]

@Ayespy If it were just about the search suggestions themselves, I might agree with you. I suppose my problem is: This stunt, combined with the other stunts big tech has pulled, makes me not trust them. If they're censoring search-suggestions like this, what else are they doing?

An analogy: Imagine you have a co-worker, who always steals other people's lunches. The real problem isn't the missing lunches. The real problem is: Mr. Sticky Fingers might do something much worse then make lunches disappear!

[Ayespy]

@Eggcorn "Big Tech" is not an entity. It is a panoply of numerous companies with individual policies and individual information practices between them. What they have in common is a desire to maximize profits, and to reap anything they can from everyone they can, and monetize it or sell it. Social manipulation, believe it or not, is scarcely a part of the picture. Leave that to the monied powers whose pure purpose is the preservation of power for its own sake.

I find it completely useless to worry about this fact, any more than I worry about entropy. These are universal, realities of the universe, and not targeted toward me with malice.

What I can do is to adjust my life and my own privacy and information practices to account for the shape of the universe. If/when I am presented with some legislative initiative to change some part of this, I can also educate myself about it and weigh in on one side or the other. What I cannot afford to do is form an opinion concerning the ethics of "Big Tech" (such as it may be imagined to be some amorphous united entity) and generate adrenaline and stomach acid over it. For now, at least, we users have options, and it is sensible for us to make use of them.

When it comes to entropy, I can eat well, exercise, lubricate my machinery, keep vulnerable materials out of the sun, use conditioners on my shoes and other leather goods, etc. It avails me not to rage, rage against the dying of the molecular cohesions in life. One can avoid going gentle into that good dilapidation with perfect equanimity, knowing death can be forestalled, but not defeated.

[Eggcorn]

@guigirl said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

...in this stupid ill-conceived thread

You think this thread is stupid and ill-conceived? If you think some of the points made here are stupid, that's a different matter. But are you saying that it's stupid ill-conceived, to notice that search-engines are censoring "election fraud" from their search-suggestions? And to ask if anyone knows of a search-engine that doesn't?

[Eggcorn]

@guigirl You're comparing apples and oranges. Election fraud is a real thing, it is factual. And I'm not talking about the fraud allegations in the 2020 US election (that's a different matter), I'm talking about election fraud in general.

If I type "vowels are evil" into a search-engine: I don't know what search-suggestions I'd get, but I doubt it'd be "vowels are evil & yesterday killed my cat". But if I type "election fr" into a search-engine, and get no search-suggestions at all. Or get only a few, and none of them are "election fraud". Well, I find that rather odd.

[Ayespy]

@Eggcorn said in Any Search Engine that doesn't censored "Election fraud" suggestion search term?:

Election fraud is a real thing, it is factual.

Yeah, actually, in modern democracies, no. It's not. Not on any scale. For instance, in the US, there have been two county-wide (county, not country) cases of vote harvesting (going around collecting blank absentee ballots from people who requested them and then filling them out and turning them in instead of the actual voters) in the last 50 years. One case did not affect the final election results and, since the other might have, a new election was held - without the candidate who had paid for the vote harvesting. Both cases resulted in felony convictions and prison time. On the other hand, individual people who tried to vote twice, tried to help a single ineligible voter to vote (whose vote was not permitted) or tried to vote themselves while not eligible (which vote was not counted) are serving prison terms of up to five years apeice.

Wide-scale systemic election fraud within the systems of Europe, the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Scandinavia, is a hallucination. A fever dream. Autocracies, on the other hand, hold sham elections all the time. That is, indeed, election fraud. There are reams and reams of data on such "elections," which one can use a search engine to help themselves find. Likewise, there have been situations like the 1948 parliamentary election in Italy, which was HEAVILY manipulated by multiple outside forces, though there does not appear to be much of a record of actual vote fraud - just money, organizing efforts and propaganda from international interlopers. But that's history.

Then you have things like ballot box stuffing, as mentioned here: https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_stuffing , a low-tech and clumsy tactic which in modern democracies always gets caught and punished - but which in less-advanced democracies or autocracies is frequently handsomely rewarded, since these do not have systems to prevent fake votes.

[sjudenim]

@Ayespy

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

The US is different than every other country you mentioned too since it allows each state to regulate federal elections, opening the door to different election laws for the same election. Not good

and more to the thread topic
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-22/google-is-the-worlds-biggest-censor-and-its-power-must-be-regulated

Sadly, even DuckDuck is not free of this.

I tried typing "Election F" and was getting suggestions, but not any for fraud. I added the "r" and all suggestions stopped. I typed out the entire word without any suggestions

[Eggcorn]

@Ayespy You're missing the point of my last post, this is not about if the 2020 US election was fraudulent or not! And another mod's already said that this thread is not the place to debate that (unless I've misunderstood her).

The point is: Election fraud is a thing that exists. And it's a very notable topic (even putting aside the 2020 allegations). It's certainly not "How do i inject peanut butter intravenously to make me immune to alien kidnap?". So you'd think that typing "election fr" into a search-engine would show "election fraud" as a search-suggestion.

[Ayespy]

@guigirl Interesting. What search engine (or search aggregator) is that?

Edit: I think I see. Searx.

[Ayespy]

@guigirl Yeah. Too bad it's really not available for Windows. Mebbe DogPile would do something similar.

[sjudenim]

@guigirl

Search engines behave differently based on your location

[Ayespy]

@guigirl As I thought, Dogpile suggests "electoral fraud" as the first suggestion if you type electoral fr. If you search electoral fraud on dogpile, it's pages of nothing but electoral fraud results, including current suspicions, suggestions and claims of it.

[Ayespy]

@guigirl does it have a search homepage? All I could find was reams of crap about how to compile it for Linux.

[Ayespy]

@guigirl OK, I see now. There are a ton of public nodes, designed and maintained by a plethora of different people, some for the US.

https://searx.ninja renders somewhat similar results to DogPile but, frankly, a LOT more woo-woo "evidence of fraud" crap that, when you in fact read it, does not actually contain any such evidence.