Vivaldi does not exist in arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does in unofficial arch repo (Aur)

arefahmed

VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur)

A Former User

Well, that’s right. FYI, we advise installing Vivaldi from the herecura repo (see the link in my signature for a simple guide). It’s maintained by the same person & causes less problems (I don’t even remember any issue caused by the repo itself), while the AUR is quite problematic (especially when it comes to the codecs).

npro

Thanks for letting us know new member , so... welcome
Also there's this: https://help.vivaldi.com/article/install-snapshots-on-non-deb-rpm-distros/

Priest72

closed source software should not be in linux repos as a general rule.

BoneTone

@Priest72 said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

closed source software should not be in linux repos as a general rule.

Depends on the distribution. Not every distro is FOSS-only, nor should they be. Users are best served with options. I for one appreciate distros that include closed source software in their official repos and make installing & maintaining them easy. This is especially the case when it comes to proprietary drivers, but really any closed source code that I want is nice to have accessible in the repos if possible.

Steffie

@arefahmed

VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur)

Yes, this is an accurate statement of well-known fact. You have not actually asked a question.

Fyi, many of us use the herecura repo method as linked above; it is reliably excellent. Occasionally, rarely, sometimes the maintainer of that repo experiences a delay in compiling & producing the new V versions, so if that ever arises & inconveniences you, the bash-script written by Ruari, also linked above, also works pretty well.

npro

So, what is it gonna be now, that's it?

Steffie

@npro Huh?

BoneTone

Using the heracura repo is definitely the way to go. As has been mentioned, the same person maintains that repo as the AUR package, this can be confirmed on the Arch wiki or just by chatting with him, he's cool & helpful. Using heracura makes maintaining Vivaldi on an Arch system much easier & less error prone.

Plasma

Yes, this is an accurate statement of well-known fact. You have not actually asked a question.

Maybe the question that he forgot asking (and which I have been wondering about myself often enough) would be: then why isn't Vivaldi in the official repos of Arch?

Politics? Of whom? Same reason why they don't have Chrome, for example?

I'm currently evaluating a switch to Arch on all my work machines, but having to jump through loops to get my favorite browser to install will definitely make me rethink that. Adding "some random repo" to the package manager, besides the official one, has always felt weird to me, no matter how cool & helpful the maintainers might be.

Steffie

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

then why isn't Vivaldi in the official repos of Arch?

Pure & simple Nix distro FOSS/GNU philosophical politics.

I run Arch now since late last year, & Manjaro for three years prior. Not any more, but i also spent some time in the EndeavourOS forum. In all those places this topic has been canvassed / argued-about quite a lot. There is a substantial proportion of "senior" people there, ie, Devs & Maintainers, who more or less emanate a hostile vibe that "Vivaldi would only get into their official repos over their dead bodies", explicitly because of their objection to not all of it being open-source.

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

having to jump through loops to get my favorite browser to install will definitely make me rethink that

If you regard editing your /etc/pacman.conf to append

# Added 21/1/18 by Steffie, for direct [non-AUR] pacman access to Vivaldi [SS & Stable] + their ffmpeg codecs.
[herecura]
Server = https://repo.herecura.be/$repo/$arch/

as hoop-jumping, then with great & sincere respect, i sense that Arch might not be best fit for you.

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

Adding "some random repo" to the package manager, besides the official one, has always felt weird to me, no matter how cool & helpful the maintainers might be

Then, given that you will not see V in the official repos of major [but not some minor] distros for a long time if ever, for as long as you maintain that attitude, you will not be able to use Vivaldi. You need to decide.

IMO saying [/implying] that you do not trust Ike is akin to saying [/implying] you don't trust any of the Arch Devs & Maintainers.

Update:
If you feel this way as expressed above, then use Ruari's script. Do you trust Ruari?

Plasma

There is a substantial proportion of "senior" people there, ie, Devs & Maintainers, who more or less emanate a hostile vibe that Vivaldi would only get into their official repos over their dead bodies

Brilliant. We need more of these funny lads

If you regard editing your /etc/pacman.conf to append ... as hoop-jumping ...

Every Linux distro has some degree of manual labour implied if you want it customized. What I meant is a more abstract view of things: if a Linux distro makes me jump through a lot of hoops to get software installed which I consider the standard set of my toolbox, then, to use your words, it might not be best fit for me.

IMO saying [/implying] that you do not trust Ike is akin to saying [/implying] you don't trust any of the Arch Devs & Maintainers.

Please just don't imply what you cannot know about me. This is the internet. Trusting people/sources/repos blindly will get me in trouble. I learned that from experience when I ran another major binary distribution on a work PC, trusted one forum post about an external repo, and got my system forked up beyond oblivion. I try to be careful and trust in this environment has to be earned.

Concluding: the more people I see here supporting heracura the more I'm inclined to give it a try.

If you feel this way as expressed above, then use Ruari's script. Do you trust Ruari?

At least I know who he is

A Former User

@Plasma Gonna add one more fact to your repo-adding discussion…

Vivaldi isn’t available in a majority of distros’ repos. There are some (Zorin? Arco?) that have it, but even on Debian/Ubuntu you have to add another repo. The only difference is that .deb & .rpm are packaged by Vivaldi, while for other distros you have to repackage it.

(Maybe, maybe… if there were nobody like Ike, & Arch-like usage continued its growth, they would make an official Vivaldi repo for pacman)

BoneTone

@Steffie said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

Pure & simple Nix distro FOSS/GNU philosophical politics.

Actually, that's not the case here. Arch official distros contain lots of non-FOSS software. Unfortunately, I'm not on my system that has my logs from my conversation with him about it, but I chatted with the maintainer about moving it into the community repo a couple years ago, and it was a possibility, I forget what the hold up was, initially far to few votes, but it had gotten quite a few by then. Regardless, very little would change by it being moved there.

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

no matter how cool & helpful the maintainers might be.

You do understand that if/when Vivaldi gets moved into the community repo, it's almost certain to be maintained by the exact same person, right? He's a "Trusted User" in the Vivaldi project, and as he already maintains it in the AUR & also maintains 73 other packages in the community repo, he'd be the one to do it. The only thing that would change is that warm fuzzy feeling one gets from it being on the mirrors.

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

Trusting people/sources/repos blindly will get me in trouble.

That's what you've been doing though, or you'd already know he's a TU, and how the packages in the repos are maintained. You'll be trusting the exact same person whether using heracura or community -- heracura, BTW, being linked in the official Arch wiki. You could have found all this information on the wiki.

Steffie

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

We need more of these funny lads

Maybe not enough of them are women? We need HEAPS more women in tech.

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

a lot of hoops to get software installed

The conf edit is a one-time-only minor task. Thereafter pacman simply handles all the updates as usual.

@Plasma said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

Trusting people/sources/repos blindly will get me in trouble

I heartily agree. Unfortunately for your argument here, Ike & his repo are NOT unknown quantities, far from it, & hence any proposition that trusting him & his repo is akin to "blind trust" is simply incorrect. Others & i have been trying to make this point to you.

BoneTone

@Steffie said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

There is a substantial proportion of "senior" people there, ie, Devs & Maintainers, who more or less emanate a hostile vibe that "Vivaldi would only get into their official repos over their dead bodies", explicitly because of their objection to not all of it being open-source.

I've not run into this at all. In fact, I was looking to take it over in order to move it into the community repo a while back. In my conversation with the maintainer, basically when it was first discussed it wasn't really popular enough. But he was going to revisit it later. Life got busy for me and I haven't followed up, possibly the same for him. If I recall correctly, there might have been some issue with a piece of code for playing DRM that makes it so Arch couldn't put it in the official repos without removing that part due to licensing issues. Not so much their philosophical objections, as the repos are full of non-free closed source software, but an inability to do so because of licensing... if memory serves.

BoneTone

@Steffie said in VIVALDI does not exist in the arch linux official repo (pacman) but it does exist unofficial arch repo (Aur):

The conf edit is a one-time-only minor task.

Which you'd have to do to enable the community repo a well.

Steffie

@BoneTone I'm glad you hadn't run into it. I found some of those squabbles a bit upsetting / ugly.

Oh, another place i have seen similar ugly remarks is the Phoronix comments. Ugh.

BoneTone

@Steffie Yeah, and I used to hang out on the IRC channels constantly. Haven't had that kind of time recently, sadly, as I really like that channel and got a lot of good help there.

Plasma

Others & i have been trying to make this point to you.

I understand your point, be assured of that. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand mine and as initially a simple bypasser on this topic, I do not need to explain my motives. I received all the information I need. Thank you for your time, all who replied to this. You may cool it down now.