What is stopping you from using V all the time?
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but Vivaldi is no worse than anything else.
Vivaldi is slow, we can't hide it.
On my on my not so old PC with a 2.54GHz dual core CPU, 5GB of RAM and a good SSD, vivaldi takes about 12 seconds to fully start. Otter on the same machine starts in 2 (two) seconds, Opium starts in 5/6 seconds, the same as Palemoon.
And the same results are visible (although not easily measurable) on tab switching and other UI functions.
The speed of Vivaldi is surely enough on decently powered machines, but the situation is completely reversed respect the good old Opera days, when Opera was used to start in 5 seconds while firefox required more than 30s to be usable.
True, performance is a big issue, scrolling this thread in Vivaldi alone takes 100 % of one CPU core on a Celeron 1007U (based on Ivy Bridge, Win7 rating 5.4, Atom is even slower) and feels sluggish. Opera 12, Seamonkey 2.33 and Chrome 44 show decent performance (in descending order), though the vivaldi.net Javascript is too much for Presto, so I disabled it.
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It needs mail to make me swap and private browsing and maybe some better resource handling to keep me happy.
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So far only one thing - it held up well to my torture testing.
But, there's a show stopper for me: it's minor, it's cosmetic, but it's a show stopping problem that affects producitivity.
The title bar. Yup., not kidding the fucking title bar.
Here's the problem: in a (seemingly successful) move to clean up the browser UI and browser canvas presumably starting with a clean sheet of paper there is no longer a border around the title bar at the top of the window.
It looks great, it really does.
But the problem is without that border you don't know where the title bar ends physically and where the stuff below it begins.
What is that a problem?
You have more than one window open (just because you guys invented tabs doesn't mean everybody always has one window open :-), maybe 3 or 4. You need to move one. You instinctively go for the title bar with the mouse, click, move, it's not moving. wtf?
See, without definition for the title bar you don't have a clear target, make mistakes and have to do that operation twice now.
An workflow that just had an operation go from 98 to 40% accuracy will impact productivity globally.
I realize this is just a matter of tweaking the user style sheet and can be done by a sufficiently knowledgable user or could be an option what have you.
As long as we' ve digressed into browser style sheets I'd like to bring up an issue that I did with Opera and after a year the response was to shut down the forums.
Remember Opera 12 with the little zoom slider on the bottom right?
Remember it's a little round ball not the usual box?
Where's the CSS for that? Can we make it accessable, documented and usable? So for projects that are "Opera Only" (now "Vivaldi only") can can use things like the build in slider, or colors and color schemes for the browser skin.
That is, why make every app have to write it's own skinning code if you can simply inherit the colors from the browser skin?
For months the responses out of Opera about this were to pretend it didn't exist or to say you can't do that.
To this day I still use one of the skins from that era, that's more appropriate for a scientific workstation and not a yellow and green e-commerce thing for teenagers like Chromium defaults to.
So, in summary:
- Need the title bar back (even if you just inset it or change the color subtly, but I need a target)
- Document internal interface bits so apps can skin themselves to the current browser skin (then you can
change the browser skin and now they have different skins.
Keep up the good work, I'm more than impresses with what I see so far.
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- Need the title bar back (even if you just inset it or change the color subtly, but I need a target)
Vivaldi settings (alt+p) > Appearance > Use Native Window > Restart Vivaldi
Otherwise, I'm sure documentation for developers will come eventually, but they're kind of just focusing on stabilizing the browser right now.
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Thank you so much for Vivaldi! I used Opera 12.14 and Opera 31 before. I have Opera 12.14 for most of my browsing with quite restrictive Cookie-settings and use Opera 31 for every website that doesn't run because of these settings. But Opera just kept getting worse and worse unfortunately. So when i heard of Vivaldi, i just had to check it out - and i'm pleasantly suprised! Keep the good work going. I kicked Opera 31 and use Vivaldi now as my second browser. Once the mail client gets integrated, there's a good chance i'll jump ship completely. Keep up the good work!
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I'll be switching over as soon as Xmarks Bookmarks Synchronization is fully functional.
We're almost there. Right now, the sign in pop-up and the setup wizard pop-up aren't showing.
And then we'll have to wait and see what the results of the synchronization will look like in Vivaldi. -
what I really miss is lack of support for my gestures profile (yeah, we can edit JS, but there are some commands missing and I have no idea how to bind flips and how to save picture under gesture)
second thing is that annoying speed dial, I just want empty page as homepage and newtab
another one is the opera style tab handling: what happens when you open few bg tabs, switch to some of them and then close the one you are viewing seems too random, probably matter of getting used to it, but the ff-alike profile would be really nice
and still I'm waiting for built-in newsfeed support (probably with some support for news sync like feedly, but that would be just bonus), but for that I can just use chroperas smart rss
last but not least, firefox as only browser out there have sane pocket extension, every other have just "add to pocket button" + "app that actually is just button opening pocket webapp" while ff have that great and lightning fast popupand for extra credits, I'd love to be able to have my mail and news sidebar and their icons on the left but webpanels on the right
oh, and one more thing (the one Opera was missing too)
when I middle click on back/forward button just open it in new tab, please -
No private browsing, extensions from chrome largely do not work (as well as the ones who work, you can't have buttons for them). You can't customise everything (as advertised, I'd like my X button to be on right of the tabs as in chrome, since I'm so used to it ,it's really annoying). There's no option to open a link in a background tab, every time I click open in new tab it automatically directs me to that tab, which is exactly the opposite of chrome and it's really annoying, 90% of the tabs I open I will check later not momentary, that's why I'm openning them in new tabs, if I didn't want to view them later I would just open them in the same tab. The speed dial needs a lot of work. There's an extension for chrome (speedial2) that has way more functionality than the speed dial in vivaldi and that's just a simple extension (which also doesn't run on vivaldi) . You can't set custom thumbnails for your speed dial which just makes accessing the links you have there fast really slow since you can't instantly recognise pages with the thumbnail snapshot vivaldi makes. There's other stuff which I'd like to see being edited on the speed dial (shapes.sizes/shadows etc which you can with the mentioned extension). Lack off apps and extensions compared to chrome, again if vivaldi's mission is to use chrome's extension , then it should be able to display them on your speed dial for easy access. This is just my initial view of a few hours work with the browser, I'm sure there's more to be found along the way.
The pluses I see in vivaldi are : The best vanilla speeddial outside of Opera and Extensions, sadly this isn't enough to make me use it. The best looking UI out of all browsers and that's it. I'd really love to use it a lot since it looks great but it just doesn't compare to other browsers at the moment (it's in beta so technically it shouldn't).
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second thing is that annoying speed dial, I just want empty page as homepage
Can't do anything about the newtab opening to a blank page yet (afaik), but you can set your home page and start up page to about:blank in order to load a blank page when starting Vivaldi and when clicking the home button.
Settings > Startup > Homepage > about:blank
Settings > Startup > Startup with > Specific Pages > about:blank > Addand still I'm waiting for built-in newsfeed support (probably with some support for news sync like feedly, but that would be just bonus)
For now, you can probably just add a web panel for feedly.
…extensions from chrome largely do not work (as well as the ones who work, you can't have buttons for them). You can't customise everything (as advertised, I'd like my X button to be on right of the tabs as in chrome... There's no option to open a link in a background tab... You can't set custom thumbnails for your speed dial... you can't instantly recognise pages with the thumbnail snapshot vivaldi makes...
Ctrl + click and mmb + click opens links in background tab, and in the latest version of Vivaldi, you can right click > open in background tab.
Most Chrome extensions with UI integration are now compatible with Vivaldi since release 1.0.249.12
The close tab button is on the right side of tabs for me. Unless you mean a single close tab button on the far right side of all open tabs? I have no reason to believe there won't eventually be an option for that in a future release. It might (that's a strong might, like it's almost definitely not) also be possible to do this with some custom CSS, but I'm unable to try anything with that right now. Check out this thread.
With a little bit of work, you can use custom thumbnails in the speed dial, and I have absolutely no problem instantly recognizing what my speed dial entries are with nothing but the default thumbnails. But, again, I have no reason to believe there won't eventually be an option to do this from the UI in a future release.
My advice for most of your issues is update to the most recent snapshot of Vivaldi (1.0.252.3).
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Settings > Startup > Homepage > about:blank
Settings > Startup > Startup with > Specific Pages > about:blank > Addwell, I've tried but instead of about:blank it goes to chromeextension://gibberishabout:blank and doesn't work
that was the case for setting homepage to about:blank and launching with homepage
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For now, you can probably just add a web panel for feedly.for news I have smart rss from chroperas store, I HATE feedly webapp and preffer having no sync over struggling with that thing so it's pretty fine for me
and actually, "native" solution in vivaldi wouldn't be native anyway as it would be js so performance would be on the same level as extension varying only on code quality -
well, I've tried but instead of about:blank it goes to chromeextension://gibberishabout:blank and doesn't work
that was the case for setting homepage to about:blank and launching with homepageSo it does work? Because I otherwise can't reproduce a situation where it doesn't.
for news I have smart rss from chroperas store, I HATE feedly webapp and preffer having no sync over struggling with that thing so it's pretty fine for me
and actually, "native" solution in vivaldi wouldn't be native anyway as it would be js so performance would be on the same level as extension varying only on code qualityAh, I just assumed you use Feedly because you referenced it in your initial post. Apologies.
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it bugged when I only set homepage to about:blank and startup to homepage
And I mentioned feedly as having some usable front end for cloud news aggregator would be lovely, but I can live without it absolutely fine
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There are still some features I want (multiple sessions, PLEASE!) but Vivaldi is my browser now and has been for some time, not sure precisely when I stopped treating it as just for testing purposes, but I use it for everything. It seems nowhere I visit doesn't like Vivaldi.
It's not ready to roll out to friends and family but for me, it's already the best browser.
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The title bar thing sounds good, thanks.
Now the second thing is if I'm filling out a form for oh, an hour or four accidentally hit the "page next" or any other button that changes the url, I'm used to (with Opera 12) hitting the back key and no harm no foul every single keystroke is there and I don't lose a thing.It was be 12 hours and 323 pages later but it always goes back to exactly where you were in filling out that form. Important if you work on the web.
No other browser does this. Chrome and Mozilla play at it, Moz got it to work for textboxes and Chrome seems to change every day which tells me they're trying, but opera (12) is flawless at it and has been for around a decade.
I've used Opera since version 5 and there was a time when I didn't even bother using any other browser. Now I can't use any other browser because not only of them gets this right. Fix that and I can make it my daily driver, and would like it.
TIll then, I'm stuck on o.v12. I doubt Chr. or Moz. will get it working before you can, it's not the hardest thing to do.
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This is the sad thing about the death of Classic Opera. Opera wrote their browser with the needs of the user in mind. Google write their browser with the needs of Google in mind.
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Ctrl + click and mmb + click opens links in background tab, and in the latest version of Vivaldi, you can right click > open in background tab.
Actually on Mac under the newest available version (Vivaldi 1.0.219.53) . Neither of those work, ctrl or cmd click or mmb+click, does not open a tab in the background and there is no option for right click -> open in background tab.
Most Chrome extensions with UI integration are now compatible with Vivaldi since release 1.0.249.12
Maybe, again a Mac only issue but it's not the case with a lot of the applications I'm using. Some of them work, some don't.
he close tab button is on the right side of tabs for me. Unless you mean a single close tab button on the far right side of all open tabs? I have no reason to believe there won't eventually be an option for that in a future release. It might (that's a strong might, like it's almost definitely not) also be possible to do this with some custom CSS, but I'm unable to try anything with that right now. Check out this thread.
I'll check it out, thanks. It's definitely on the left side of the tab on Mac though.
With a little bit of work, you can use custom thumbnails in the speed dial, and I have absolutely no problem instantly recognizing what my speed dial entries are with nothing but the default thumbnails. But, again, I have no reason to believe there won't eventually be an option to do this from the UI in a future release.
I'll check it out and I'll probably end up doing, however a UI feature for this is really needed, as again alternative extensions/browsers let you do this from the UI and have way more flexibility doing it (using web hosted images etc).
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I'll check it out, thanks. It's definitely on the left side of the tab on Mac though.
Ah, okay, I'm totally unfamiliar with Mac: Linux is my main platform right now. So, sorry about that false information, then. It seems pretty inconsistent for Mac to display the tab close button on the left but on the right on Windows and Linux. I can see why you would find that annoying. I tried using some custom CSS to put the close tab button on the far right of the tab bar, but with every new tab, there's a new tab close button, so the buttons ended up stacking on top of each other and closing a background tab rather than the active tab. It's possible there was a way to work around that with Javascript, but I'm not comfortable enough with that language to try anything.
However, after reading your reply, I was able to move my tab close button to the left side of tabs without any problems. Which means you can definitely move them to the right side of tabs on a Mac. I don't know where these files are located on your platform, so you'll need to adjust for that, but here's what you can try:
- (On Linux) Open directory: /opt/vivaldi-snapshot/resources/vivaldi/style/
- Open "common.css"
- At the very top of the file, add:```
@import "custom.css";
5) Paste this code into the file:
.close {
position: relative !important;
left: 75% !important;
background-color: white !important;
}You may need to adjust the value of left, but right: 75% moved it to the left side of tabs for me, so left should work for you. I added a background colour because once I had moved the button, it was placed on top of text. In order to see it more clearly, I made the background colour of the close button white. You can either remove that property altogether or use your own background colour. Vivaldi will need to be restarted after changes are made to these files. You can find the installation directory of Vivaldi by pasting vivaldi://about in your address bar, it will be listed under "Executable Path." –--- The inability to open a link in a new background tab is probably just a bug that will be fixed in a later release, sorry to hear that none of the current known workarounds works on a Mac, though. And I agree completely with your statement about having the ability to customize the speed dial more effectively from the UI. But, for now, I can live with doing it manually.
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Actually on Mac under the newest available version (Vivaldi 1.0.219.53) . Neither of those work, ctrl or cmd click or mmb+click, does not open a tab in the background and there is no option for right click -> open in background tab.
Command⌘-click is working fine for for me on Mac, and so is the RMB menu.
However, you're not on the latest snapshot if you're at 1.0.219.53.
The latest (since last Friday) is 1.0.258.3. -
- single click to open a bookmark
That is what keeps me from switching to Vivaldi.
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Try middle-click.