Sandboxie issue.
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@Hadden89
Don't really need to test chromium 85 as new Edge has that and it works fine with Sandboxie.I know it is something in Chromium 86 and the Vivaldi snalshot update that caused it as the minute I did the update Vivaldi wouldn't open sandboxied anymore.
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@Gwen-Dragon I don't use sandboxie and have not for many years since i migrated to linux.I was just making this forum aware of such issue.
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@Gwen-Dragon
First Sandboxie 5.33.6 is nothing to do with the fork setup by the dev here
https://github.com/sandboxie/sandboxie/issues5.33.6 is the last true version of the original Sandboxie before Sophos decided to release the source code.
It may be a bit tricky to do a bug report as Vivaldi won't open under Sandboxie. I (and others) are still trying various things to pin it down, but I will probably do a report later if we have no luck.
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Looks like others are confirming my findings .
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@Gwen-Dragon
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Sandboxie issue.:
@stapp Thanks for the report.
I tried to ping a dev to check this. Please ask me in a few days again.Any news?
Bug report [Jira] (VB-72301)
Just to show it is not just me having the issue .... -
Reporting that I have just updated Vivaldi to the next Snapshot version 3.4.2056.19.x64, and it also does not launch it in Sandboxie.
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@Gwen-Dragon
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@Gwen-Dragon
''not unconfirmed''
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Should the devs have difficulty finding the signed 5.33.6 Sandboxie installer it can be found here
https://community.sophos.com/sandboxie/f/forum/119347/announcing-sandboxie-5-33-6-release-and-open-source-update.
No one I know who uses the latest Vivaldi snapshot with Sandboxie 5.33.6 can open Vivaldi.
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@Gwen-Dragon, could you perhaps emphasise the importance of this issue to the developers. I believe that Vivaldi users are generally concerned about privacy and security, and Sandboxie, with its multiple sandboxes, is an excellent defence. It is unique amongst current software.
I have had to change my routines for many things back to Firefox, which I used previously. I mean banking particularly, but also taxation and shopping. It has all been a great nuisance, and if I lose confidence that Vivaldi is seeking a solution, I may have to take the easy way out and switch my standard browser back to Firefox, even though I much prefer Vivaldi.
I do understand that Vivaldi may not be able to fix the problem. Sophos bought Sandboxie and then abandoned it, and a solution many have to wait until one or other of the developing Sandboxie forks matures. Could we at least have an indication of Vivaldi's attention and concern --- 'if a dev has spare time' is not appropriate from them.
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Chromium has it's own sandboxing technology built into their code.I would be very surprised if the chromium developers will create a fix for 3rd party sandboxing software which has the potential to break again further down the development line.Sandboxie may have been useful in the windows 7 era but as windows has progressed so has it's own sandboxing.There are alternatives like shadow defender etc.
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@Gwen-Dragon, a simple partial workaround for Vivaldi, clearly explained, has now been posted on the Wilders website:
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sandboxie-technologies-sbie-open-source.428156/page-20It's not perfect, because it seems only to open Vivaldi in the default sandbox (although with attention to sandbox deletion, this is not a huge problem). Works for me.
Could the Vivaldi developers please get in touch with the techies posting on Wilders website and sort out what is to be done --- the simple workaround posted there seems to indicate to a non-techie like me that the issue is not too complicated. The issue now seems to be affecting all Chromium browsers as they follow Vivaldi in updating Chromium, and the workaround is reported to apply to some of them as well. It's not appropriate to avoid the issue by denigrating Sandboxie --- Vivaldi is all about giving choice and control back to the user.
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@Gwen-Dragon, Thank you very much indeed for that warning. I am now quite out of my depth with all this, not being a techie, so could I suggest that you post your warning on the Wilders forum, where the method has been much discussed.
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That workaround would only be temporary as the next chromium update would break it again,It is up to the sandboxie developer/s to make it compatible with chromium browsers and not the reverse,.At the moment there is a one man shop developing a sandboxie fork but as far as i am concerned sandboxie died the moment ronen left the project.
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@Gwen-Dragon No gwen that is not strictly true as the browser would simply be running under the supervision of sandboxie so there would be no vulnerability at all as the browser would remain sandboxed.But i do think sandboxie has an uncertain future as the source code was open sourced and as far as i know only one so called developer is maintaining a fork,It was never the same program ever since tzuk left it.
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@Qwen-Dragon: This now needs urgent attention and communication from the Vivaldi developers.
I am not a techie. I am an experienced PC user, very pleased indeed with Vivaldi. But like many others, I am growing increasingly nervous, and even frightened, about using the internet at all, given all the outrageous fraud and privacy invasion going on. For example, my credit card was seriously hacked a while ago despite my taking every care (repaid by the bank).
I use Sandboxie for security, and despite the fact that it is now an orphan (Sophos has dumped it, and no 'Sandboxie organisation' exists), it has continued to work perfectly for me up till now, along with a VPN and many other obvious things, including of course Vivaldi. I have to take advice on security because I am not a techie.
There are experienced techies on the Wilders website who seem to agree with what @Priest72 has just said, while you are saying that this is all nonsense, and the Vivaldi developers keep silence. We laymen have to rely completely on the techies --- and the Vivaldi techies are obviously excellent --- and it is now essential that there is agreement with the crowd at Wilders, or at least discussion.
Thank you for your patience --- it's not an easy issue.
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@Montiverdi said in Sandboxie issue.:
Sandboxie, with its multiple sandboxes, is an excellent defence. It is unique amongst current software
I presume you said that within the narrow constraint of windoze? It's most certainly incorrect if you meant this as a blanket cross-platform statement. For Linux users there are several user-facing sandboxing tools available, one of which is
FireJail
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@Gwen-Dragon until the next chromium update.
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@Montiverdi no you are incorrect.sandboxie will not protect against a fraudulent and phishing websites And no it is not the responsibility of chromium or other browsers to accomodate sandboxie,it is up to the developer/s of sandboxie to make sure their 3rd party software works with the browser.The same principal applies to extension developers also.