What is stopping you from using V all the time?
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I worked for two weeks with up to 30 open tabs, while running my business from out of state, including remoting in to my home desktop as needed. I have maxed out the RAM at 3 GB within the last year and, sometime after installing Vivaldi also switched to a 250 GB SSD (which did speed and smooth things a fair bit, tho it had not been bad before that - just not great.)
Same with my 13-year-old Sony laptop with the 1.46 GHz, 2GB of RAM and 250 GB HDD. Everything is pretty slow on it, even after I have made it better with Win10, but Vivaldi is no worse than anything else. So my two crappy old laptops, including the really crappy really old one, are doing fine. I have not seen the problems you have.
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1. Mail
2. Speed
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but Vivaldi is no worse than anything else.
Vivaldi is slow, we can't hide it.
On my on my not so old PC with a 2.54GHz dual core CPU, 5GB of RAM and a good SSD, vivaldi takes about 12 seconds to fully start. Otter on the same machine starts in 2 (two) seconds, Opium starts in 5/6 seconds, the same as Palemoon.
And the same results are visible (although not easily measurable) on tab switching and other UI functions.
The speed of Vivaldi is surely enough on decently powered machines, but the situation is completely reversed respect the good old Opera days, when Opera was used to start in 5 seconds while firefox required more than 30s to be usable.
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Startup time is kind of a non-issue with me. I don't count it. I do notice a touch of lagginess in the UI (not on the 8-year-old machine, but on the 13-year-old one), which I expect at this stage - nothing near as bad as with the first couple of TPs.
The rest of what you say I have no argument with but, to be fair, I notice lagginess with all other software on these machines, too. Opera actually has a worse startup time with lots of tabs, and everything else has little delays and hitches that I attribute to overall system performance. Sure, Vivaldi has some slowdowns at this point but I don't expect it to be fast until after it's built out. Again, we're not trying to wow every Joe-user in the world and steal them away from their favorite browser. We're trying to replace the big loss in the Opera niche. And when those features are largely covered, then I expect the developers to do like Opera has done after a couple of years in development, and start to tweak memory use and performance. But if we don't get the features that everyone flocked here to see, the "heir to the Opera legend," speed will mean nothing. Simplicity and speed are available everywhere.
Yes?
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But if we don't get the features that everyone flocked here to see, the "heir to the Opera legend," speed will mean nothing.
Well, speed and lightness was a not secondary part of the Opera legend.
ATM we have to think to Jon's words "we don't have the luxury of building the engine from scratch", so we (users) will never see something of comparable with Opera in that area.
We have to live with that fact.
Vivaldi will improve, surely (and likely something of interesting will be visible in the next builds) but it will never match was Opera was. Because the foreign engine and because the non native interface.
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This is a great browser and I know improvements are coming. However, what is keeping me from using Vivaldi all the time is the issue I have with logging into sites such as Viki, Spotify, and Hulu with my Facebook log in information. Vivaldi would be my default browser if there was a way to fix this.
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First, gotta say, Vivaldi is impressive….at least on my Windows 7 machine. There's a small lag time after clicking on a link until the page opens but other than that, no complaints. I can transition from one tab to another with no interference at all. Right now, I have 18 tabs open and she's running like a top I am SUPER excited to have the sidebar with Notes! I really, really missed Notes. I find I'm opening Vivaldi daily since the last snapshot.
The one thing holding me back? I can see Roboform in the extensions list, but there's no icon access. Nor can I find a way to enable the Roboform toolbar. I'm sure this problem will be history in no time as revisions are being released very quickly these days.
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For me it's a stability issue. Kinda impractical to work with V when it crashes too often. But I have full confidence this will improve.
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For me it's a stability issue. Kinda impractical to work with V when it crashes too often. But I have full confidence this will improve.
Never had stability issues with Vivaldi
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voltball wrote:
For me it's a stability issue. Kinda impractical to work with V when it crashes too often. But I have full confidence this will improve.I have no stability issues with Vivaldi here, although, on my Windows 7 machine, I'm running the 32 bit version (I've found that, sometimes, 32 bit software can be a bit more stable than 64) and I have 16G RAM, but have no idea if these things are even applicable in this case.
I have been able to get the Roboform toolbar to show, but, unfortunately, it's at the bottom…covering the status bar. :S For me, that's unacceptable. It's such a popular add-on I'm sure this will be remedied in future.
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I am not using Vivaldi all the time, as a fact I am not using Vivaldi at all, every once in a while I check its advancement because I guess when it will be a finished product it will become my default browser - just like the real Opera had been for more than 10 years - but with all the fully developed browsers out there I really don't see the need to use these snapshots with their limited features.
Actually I am using Slimjet, Vivaldi needs to become at least as good as Slimjet to make me consider a switch, plus:- a native context search (I dislike add-ons) and the full right click menu of the old Opera
- a good download manager (torrents too)
- syncrhonization (Slimjet's weak point, I don't want to pass through Big G)
- flash included in the installation package (Slimjet's nice point)
by the way, I absolutely love Vivaldi's color scheme
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Hi,
love the browser, can't wait to start using it on all my pc's
one thing that stops me from using it all the time is the lack of sync option, got 4 machines, different os (2 win, 2 linux) and I need synced bookmarks on all of them. -
Love the direction Vivaldi is headed but:
Mail
Speed
Bookmarks manager bugs
Having Dev tools more like Dragonfly would be nice -
First, congrats to the whole V team. I'm really impressed. Why don't I dump the other browsers?
1. Text is not clear! Is this a product of the font-smoothing issue I've seen mentioned?
2. Contrast between text and background is nearly always insufficient. Right now I'm looking at light green text within a darker green field, light grey text within a darker grey filed, etc. This really has to go. The 'intensify' option helps, but is not enough. Please see contrastrebellion.com for elaboration.
3. There needs to be a way to make text larger within a field WITHOUT making the filed larger. I.e. I need to make the text take up a higher % of the area within a tab WITHOUT making the tab itself larger.
4. The same applies to websites. A option similar to No-Squint (http://download.cnet.com/NoSquint/3000-11745_4-75944898.html) would be most helpful. No-Squint is the single largest reason I still use FireFox.
5. An e-mail client
6. Bookmark sync across all my devices with Vivaldi installed.
7. A calendar that syncs where, when and how I choose and does not decide for me, as all other calendars seem to.I use V about 25% of the time now. Were legibility the issues (#'s 1-4) resolved, I'd use V 90% of the time, no question.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
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This one: https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/4406-always-open-a-new-tab-from-adress-and-searchbar
If this feature is implement I will switch from Firefox to Vivaldi! I hate it, to overwrite my tabs if I open something from the adress- or searchbar.
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1. Text is not clear! Is this a product of the font-smoothing issue I've seen mentioned?
Text where? Page text is looking fairly good to me, now. In some earlier versions I think there may have been some issue of subpixel rendering not being applied to page text, but it's looking ok to me now.
2. Contrast between text and background is nearly always insufficient. Right now I'm looking at light green text within a darker green field, light grey text within a darker grey filed, etc. This really has to go. The 'intensify' option helps, but is not enough. Please see contrastrebellion.com for elaboration.
There will be more UI options in the future, but if you need high contrast due to poor eyesight, you probably shouldn't use the current "Dark Theme". In "Light" theme with "Use Page Theme Color in User Interface" (colored tabs) turned on, contrast is pretty high.
contrastrebellion.com's complaints aren't entirely relevant – that's talking about styling of page content (which isn't adjustable on most websites aside from forums), whereas in this case it's application themes that are in question. Many people don't want the UI to be as attention-grabbing (it's why Adobe moved towards drabber, grayer UI themes for the 2014 update to its Creative Cloud programs, although I think they went overboard). I agree that at least one Vivald theme should be highly accessible for vision-impaired users, but it can also make sense to have a UI option that's low-contrast, for those who want that. Of the two themes available so far, it sounds like you're not using the one that best suits your vision needs. In the future, there will surely be a greater selection of high-contrast themes.
The option you mentioned of "Filter - Intensify" effects only page text. If a particular web page is too low-contrast, the fault lies with the designer of the page in question. (Browsers do have default stylesheets, but in Vivaldi's case, the default is already #000 black text on a pure white base. To override the palettes of sites that use have low contrast, you can already use in Vivaldi a plugin like Stylish, and Vivaldi will probably get more buit-in User CSS options in the future.
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voltball wrote:
I have been able to get the Roboform toolbar to showHow did you manage to do it, please?
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Mostly it was (Just came back after a month's hiatus, so hopefully it's fixed now) that the tabs started acting wonky at one point if you tried to rearrange them. So far it's good, but since I haven't found the exact cause yet, I'm not sure if it just haven't been triggered yet.
Still, I love the way Vivaldi is going the way of the old Opera. I didn't want a new Chrome, I want a powerbrowser.
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Mostly it was (Just came back after a month's hiatus, so hopefully it's fixed now) that the tabs started acting wonky at one point if you tried to rearrange them. So far it's good, but since I haven't found the exact cause yet, I'm not sure if it just haven't been triggered yet.
Are you referring to this, perhaps?
Still, I love the way Vivaldi is going the way of the old Opera. I didn't want a new Chrome, I want a powerbrowser.
Agreed.
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but Vivaldi is no worse than anything else.
Vivaldi is slow, we can't hide it.
On my on my not so old PC with a 2.54GHz dual core CPU, 5GB of RAM and a good SSD, vivaldi takes about 12 seconds to fully start. Otter on the same machine starts in 2 (two) seconds, Opium starts in 5/6 seconds, the same as Palemoon.
And the same results are visible (although not easily measurable) on tab switching and other UI functions.
The speed of Vivaldi is surely enough on decently powered machines, but the situation is completely reversed respect the good old Opera days, when Opera was used to start in 5 seconds while firefox required more than 30s to be usable.
True, performance is a big issue, scrolling this thread in Vivaldi alone takes 100 % of one CPU core on a Celeron 1007U (based on Ivy Bridge, Win7 rating 5.4, Atom is even slower) and feels sluggish. Opera 12, Seamonkey 2.33 and Chrome 44 show decent performance (in descending order), though the vivaldi.net Javascript is too much for Presto, so I disabled it.