Gendering in forum
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@JohnConnorBear said in Gendering in forum:
I don't know what your background is but if you have studied some history of Europe you know there wasn't any "authoritarian regime", it was the way the things were and always had been since ever. Languages, religions, laws, traditions, even hair and eyes colors, where decided by the sword.
OK. Maybe I was wrong to use the word "authoritarian" to describe rule by violence. Regardless, this is how things were done in the past (I absolutely do not deny this), and it was a bad way to rule. It led us to where are now, but we have grown as a society and I would hate to see us return to that.
Now you say "it is not a good thing". Yeah, again, really?
Yes, really. Ruling through violence and fear ("deciding by the sword", as you eloquently put it) is not good.
The whole history of the world is not a good thing, lets make a new one. We meet on Vivaldi, we discuss the changes, we agree and the world will "evolve" for the better.
We can't just make a new world, that's not how reality works (unless your name is Slartibartfast). But we can collectively make small changes to our lives. And if we all do that, then I do believe there is hope that we can change things for the better.
Now, dear "being", I don't care if you believe in unicorns, problem is since you aren't aware of how things work in reality, you don't see what is happening either you don't understand it. Because you are convinced that "changes" happen because people "feel like it".
Unicorns are awesome. I wish they were real. I can't make them real just by feeling for them though.
Being kind to each other is awesome. I wish that happened more often. I can make that real by making small changes to how I act. I know that in reality many people don't do this, but I can still try and make a small difference.
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@LonM said:
Being kind to each other is awesome. I wish that happened more often. I can make that real by making small changes to how I act. I know that in reality many people don't do this, but I can still try and make a small difference.
…and someone sees it’s awesome and tries to do the same (this is why I spend much time trying to make the world nicer place to live instead of making it worse).
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@potmeklecbohdan said in Gendering in forum:
It’s not the first time I miss the downvote button here on the forum…
You're not alone…
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@JohnConnorBear said in Gendering in forum:
but I need you to see things for what they are, not for what you wish they were.
I think I now understand the point you are trying to make, and therein lies the root of our disagreement. Correct me if I am wrong.
I see the world for what it is. And I am unhappy with it. I wish it were different. So I want to change it. I know what reality is, and I strive to make it better.
You also see the world for what it is, but you do not wish it were different. And that is fine.
But that won't stop me from trying to make my own way.
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@LonM said in Gendering in forum:
I see the world for what it is.
I very much doubt it you do. Only those saints who are totally free from greed, ill-will, and delusion see the world for what it is. Everyone else has preconceived notions, biases, and conditioned views.
The Buddha taught about three wrong-views:–
- Everything is due to previous kamma. You may want to change it, but you cannot because it is predetermined by your fate.
- Everything is due to an Almighty God. You may pray to God to change it, but you are powerless to bring about any changes because God decides whether you live or die, whether you succeed or fail, gain happiness or suffer misery.
- There is no cause or reason for anything. Again, whatever you do is irrelevant because blind chance decides the outcome.
These three wrong views are all equally pernicious because they disregard the need for human effort to bring about improvements to one’s own happiness and to improvements in society.
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The goal is to understand each other and for this the language only is insufficient, apart from unnecessary.
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@JohnConnorBear You don't have to agree with me on what is wrong or right. Frankly, I don't know where you got that idea. You also shouldn't feel guilty, so you have no need to stress about redeeming yourself.
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@JohnConnorBear , this is only valid if one thinks in an absolutist way, which in view that an absolute truth does not exist, never is real. There can only be specific co-incidences between people, each one has their own experiences and points of view. Therefore, if we lack empathy and tolerance, coexistence is impossible. Formalisms do not serve, nor if a word has the masculine, feminine or neutral gender, it is irrelevant, it matters how we say something, not what.
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Several months ago i watched [& loved] Nanette. Just now i have watched [& loved] Douglas. Given how some attitudes have been revealed in this thread i can only imagine how much rage would be ... engendered ... in some people here & beyond.
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@JohnConnorBear said in Gendering in forum:
There is no cause or reason for anything
That was stated as a wrong-view. Of course there is a reason. However, you would not be able to take my wallet because I do not use money. If you do kick an innocent person in the groin, of course, you are laying down evil kamma that will likely lead to rebirth in hell, or getting kicked in the groin for no apparent reason in a future existence.
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@Steffie , in Spain there are groups that want to remove the gender from the language, putting everything in neutral. They have not understood the meaning of a language as an added tool to transmit their own thoughts. Apart from that in a communication between people, 70-80% is non-verbal (for this there are emojis in the networks), a language is always neutral, regardless of the gender of a word, it is even more possible to feel equally offended, putting everything in neutral, already with this same misunderstanding, people can feel degraded to things, instead of people. Therefore it is equally absurd.
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@Catweazle Well, just so you know. I will never be upset if someone addresses me as "they", whereas i would be mighty pissed-off if they addressed me as "him, he, sir, gent" et al, on the basis that i enjoy tech stuff ipso facto i must be male because no alternative possibility exists. Women cannot like tech coz they're too busy making bread & babies.
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@Steffie Men can't like tech either, cause they're too busy spreading conspiracy theories… or so it seems for some.
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@Steffie , this is the point, but this depends on the machist thoughts of the one who writes or says it, not the language itself, would be equally insulting without gender differences in the language.
We cannot project our own shortcomings and mistakes into the language and blame the language for it. As it is said in Spain, it is to throw the stone and hide the hand. -
@Gwen-Dragon Yes, I have one. Would you mind close the thread as it doesn't serve any purpose any longer?
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