What is stopping you from using V all the time?
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//MODEDIT: thread archived on Aug 8th, 2022. Feel free to continue the discussion here.
First - great job team V. It is progressing nicely in a very timely manner. There are so many things about Vivaldi I like. Especially thanks for the high level of communication from the team - that goes such a long way! Second, I find myself using o12 most of the time - and that really bugs me. So I started to try to force myself to use the big V all the time. Here is why I haven't completely made the switch yet: - Speed (or the perception of speed). I really miss the active download indicators. With V, I never know if it is actually doing something. The progress background indicator on V is almost imperceptible. - Colors. I have o set to use the default system theme. So it looks like most other programs. It is easy to spot the borders on the screen. With V - it looks so different around the outside that it is hard to tell sometimes where a web page stops and the V interface starts. I'd love the ability to default to the same look as the system setting. - Can we have a setting so that click/shift click/control shift click act like the old o? Or some way of "never open a new window"? Shift into a new tab and shift-control into a background tab just seems so natural. I stop constantly to close errantly opened windows with V.
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Speed, that's what I need!
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for me, nothing.
V is currently my default browser. I have customised my UI to a point where I like it. Sure, a config file for the JS, or maybe putting things in separate files that can be edited individually instead of the massive conglomerate that exists right now, but otherwise, I love it -
Uhhhhmmmm…nothing?
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For me it's the missing mail client and the dev tools which are still not integrated into the main Vivaldi window. Plus a few things I don't quite like with the current dev tools.
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I use Vivaldi as my main browser since the day one.
Surely has still some cons and missing features I badly need but, all in all, is already better than anything else, aside Opera obviously.
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Lack of mail client. That keeps Opera 12 going for me.
I also can't find where/how to clear cookies and history when I close the browser. Should be automatic.
Having said that, I find I like Vivaldi and I use it more and more.
Mike
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Lack of mail client. That keeps Opera 12 going for me.
I lack it badly too. But I got used Operamail, and I use it when Opera is closed and, slowly, I started to use Opera less frequently
Opera anyway is still mandatory on low powered and older machines. Everything else is outdated or too heavy for the purpose
I also can't find where/how to clear cookies and history when I close the browser. Should be automatic.
Some related posts.
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I do use Vivaldi as my primary browser. Apart from the frequent crashes (which I'm sure will go away sooner or later), Vivaldi is weak on East Asian language support. Most modern browsers are capable of detecting correct character encodings even when the webpages fail to send encoding information. Also, typing Japanese into a text box (like this one) on Vivaldi is somewhat painful (Vivaldi doesn't cooperate well with the IME) on Mac at least. Considering the huge number of (potential) Chinese users, I don't think East Asian language support is low-priority.
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Also mail and feeds - when I turn on the PC, Opera 12 is my first port of call to catch up - so it's still the browser that's opened by default.
When mail and feeds come to Vivaldi I will be straight over to Vivaldi as default. (And as soon as a trial period shows that mail is "safe" in Vivaldi then I'll stop using Opera. Once Vivaldi installs as a normal program instead of in my temp user space, I will work on convincing the wife to switch so I can dump Opera completely…)
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My main reasons:
- No bookmarks menu in the classic menu bar.
- No "Paste & Go" right click option.
- No address bar drop down (to show the entered url's).
- Speed dials move around, if i resize the window (i want 4 in a row, not 2 or 5 on resize).
- I can't expand tab stacks. I need to unstack and restack them to view each one as a single tab. That was much better in O12.
- No Download-Tab or -window. Only the small paneele thing that shows the complete paneele, but i never used and don't like the paneele at all.
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- No "Paste & Go" right click option.
ctrl-shift-v, or even ctrl-v + enter
- Speed dials move around, if i resize the window (i want 4 in a row, not 2 or 5 on resize).
I might be the only ne, but I prefer a responsive desing. Only using four columns on a wider screen seems like a waste of screen real estate to me, likewise having four columns when only two fit seems silly too
The other ones, I agree with -
- Speed dials move around, if i resize the window (i want 4 in a row, not 2 or 5 on resize).
I might be the only ne, but I prefer a responsive desing. Only using four columns on a wider screen seems like a waste of screen real estate to me, likewise having four columns when only two fit seems silly too
The other ones, I agree withA good solution would be an option to set a number of columns and if there is no number or 0, it should sort it like now.
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What is stopping you from using V all the time?
A lot of things actually let me still stick with Opera 12:
UI Speed: Opera's UI is very response, while Vivaldi feels like a very early Mozilla 0.6 Build on my Pentium 133 (they just invented XUL back then). There is a noticeable delay when entering a letter into the address bar, before it actually appears on the screen. Vivaldi's Preferences dialog takes full 3-5 seconds with full CPU load to appear. Opera's shows instantly.
History Navigation Mode 3: Navigation back and forth in Opera is as fast as switching between already open tabs (and still faster than switching between tabs in Vivaldi). If you force opera:config#UserPrefs|HistoryNavigationMode to 3, it's almost instant. Best combined with rocker mouse gestures!
Browsing speed: Opera is blazingly fast on broadband with disk cache disabled (which breaks web fonts BTW, a bug they never fixed), as it employs a true RAM only cache. Only heavy amounts of JavaScript slow it down, disabling it solves that. CPU usage of Vivaldi is generally higher.
Drop down menus not working like native menus since 1985 (introduction of the Macintosh): You click on the menu title, then hold the mouse button and drag to the menu entry, you want do access, then release the button to activate it. Faster and less error-prone.
And much more of course: A lot GUI accessible preferences settings including Quick Preferences, disabling sending referrer information, content blocker, Turbo, mail client, detailed MIME type settings, EXIF data viewer. It's all the little things you are used to you only notice, when they are missing.
Vivaldi is quite promising, but it's not ready for prime time yet.
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First, thank you, developers, for the nice things.
I simply love the navigating links with the arrow keys. It looks awesome, and is very useful for sites filled with links (particularly when my hand tires from too much mouse work. It draws me to your browser, just to use it with certain, link filled sites. Also, the notes feature is great (a resurrection for the old Opera Presto), stacking tabs is a nice extra, and it's wonderful to play with the different setups for the address bar, and the tab bar, to find the best. I'm kind of enjoying the address bar on the bottom. I can't really have that with other browsers I use. Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and IE don't appear to give me those choices. The Speed Dial is promising, particularly that you can make folders of speed dial positions and also, folders within folders. In addition, you can have as many pages as you want. It's thus very ambitious. So, I'm quite impressed with the progress.Need to fix items to bring me to Vivaldi as a primary browser. (1) an icon bar so that there's a greater ability to use Chrome Extensions. I'd like a mail link on the browser (for my Thunderbird mail, and my gmail). The icon bar might be enough for me to get an extension to make my gmail more accessible. (For the moment, I'm using the speed dial for my gmail needs). One problem with the icon bars in other browers is that they get cluttered/crowded. It would be nice, as an option, if the icon bar were in a drop-down menu that could be accessed with an easy keyboard-shortcut, instead of taking up browser real estate next to the address bar. (2) The cache of speed dial items is very slow to load. When the items haven't loaded, the speed dial looks awful. (3) The Speed Dial needs art for the background image (sort of the way Opera 29 uses Themes) (I would suggest that you give the user the chance to add his/her own art from their computer, or places on the internet that they find). Also, when you show a folder view in the speed dial, it looks bad. There needs to be a way for the folder view in the speed dial to look better. Appearance is important to me. I'd like my speed dial to look great. (4) The tabs freeze sometimes – not necessarily all (sometimes two or three) and I have to close the browser and open it again. It happens enough times that it's a bit of a nuisance, (5) A private window (for when you want to go into private mode) is a must. A private tab is optional, as if it's not as secure, I would chose not to have it. I can live with the private window, without the private tab, (6) The bookmarks need improvement. Cut and paste doesn't seem to work in terms of organizing the folders, and it's awkward/hard to create a new folder unless it's within another folder. (7) On the trash basket, we should have the ability to delete items from it individually, or all at once.
All told, though, Vivaldi is a quite intriguing browser!
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The number one thing that is preventing me from using Vivaldi is the UI speed. I keep 65+ tabs open at all times, and when I use keyboard navigation to switch through them it's excruciatingly slow. I timed it, it takes 34 seconds to cycle through my 65 tabs in Vivaldi, and in Opera 12 it takes 4 seconds. That is a massive slow down. Also, the exact same tabs open in Vivaldi use up about 30% more RAM than they do in Opera, and I'm not a fan of having a separate process for each page either. It's not like my computer is a slouch either, it's a custom built beast with a high end processor, lots of ram, and SSD's… my poor laptop though, which is a mid range i7 and half as much ram completely chokes under the same tab load in Vivaldi that it handles fine with Opera 12. Also, with this many tabs open, even typing into a box such as this forum post, or the address bar, sometimes has quite noticeable lag... it's been a LONG time since I've had to wait for a computer to catch up to my typing speed.
There are several smaller issues too, but these are mostly bugs and features that I assume will be added eventually... here's a sample of them...
-Rearranging tabs is buggy, with pinned tab icons disappearing into tab stacks that don't really exist, or just refusing to change order as they move right back to where they were after I drag them to a new position. Definitely a bug and I'm not concerned about it, just mentioning it.
-Status bar really needs to be combined with the address bar... or at least have the ability to move it to the top of the screen. There's really need reason for it to have it's own screen-wide bar, it just takes away from the visible space on a website. Yes, I realize that the status bar can be hidden, and that can even be done with a keyboard shortcut, however many of the options within the status bar do not have a keyboard shortcut for them, so it pretty much needs to be visible. A related issue to this, if you're like me and have Windows' taskbar set to auto hide unless the mouse is hovered over it, you'll probably end up popping up the taskbar when reaching for one of those little Vivaldi icons. I prefer UI elements to be at the top of the screen at all times, conveniently located with all the other UI elements, having to traverse the entire screen slows down productivity.
-Missing keyboard shortcuts... I'm sure this will be something that gets added eventually. I miss being able to minimize and maximize a tab, or all tabs, with a simple keyboard stroke. Same with being able to hide/show all the images on a page. Basically I think just about any tool should have a keyboard shortcut.
-UI colors... I'd really like to be able to choose the UI colors. Charcoal and cream may appeal to some, but not to me... I'd like it to use my windows Aero theme, or at least let me change my colors.
-Content blocker. I miss it. I like being able to remove a graphical element of my choosing. I'm sure everyone has come across a forum avatar or signature image that they'd love to never have to see again. I see there's a content blocker checkbox in the status bar, but it doesn't seem to do much of anything. It certainly isn't the same function from Opera.
-The escape key... okay, this one drives me a nuts. If the address bar of a page is selected, no amount of hitting the escape key will change focus away from it. Hitting escape should always change focus back to the web page itself... it shouldn't need the tab key, or having to click on an empty portion of the page with the mouse to change focus.
-The panels bar. This is probably just a bug, maybe an oversight. If I've got the panels bar hidden, then use a hotkey to open the bookmarks, it will open up the panels bar. Pressing my hotkey again to close the bookmarks will close the bookmarks panel, but it keeps the rest of the panel bar open, so I have to use a second hotkey to close the panel bar. Basically to return the UI to the same state I have to use one hotkey to open the bookmarks and a second hotkey to close the panel bar and the bookmark panel at the same time... this is a job for one hotkey, not two.
-Password manager. Simply put, I'd like the ctrl-enter hotkey to fill in login fields again.
-The X on tabs. I'd like an option to remove that... I can close a tab with a hotkey and don't have to worry about a misclick closing a tab.
-Bookmarks... I'd really like to have sorting functions for them. Alphabetical would be nice, but so would by date, or by a custom order. Just simple organizational stuff.
So yeah, most of the things I've listed are minor annoyances at most and things that are probably going to get implemented or fixed anyway, and Vivaldi does give me hope that when the time comes that Opera 12 is just no longer a viable browser that there will be a good replacement for it... but I'm quite worried that the massive UI slowdown that I'm seeing is something that can't be fixed. It seems to be a problem with all these chrome based browsers to some degree or another.
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- mail client
- past and go
- performance
- sync
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Give this man a cookie! This post should be pinned on the top of the forums!
Also add multi-line tab bar to the features and we have the perfect browser.
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@Gwen-Dragon Thank you for your response. I've submitted two bug reports, one for Japanese text input and the other for the encoding problem. Hope they are helpful.
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I keep Vivaldi open for tasks of less importance.
My main browser already for 1 year is Palemoon (since I finally accepted the death of Opera) . Palemoon is a conservative take on Firefox basis, and forms my comparison basis.
The issues listed below are valid already through many versions, and are still valid for 1.0.174.8 (Developer Build)(1)
Despite all performance improvements, Vivaldi is still too often slower in initial loading of web pages (compared to Palemoon).(2)
Despite all performance improvements, Vivaldi is still too often slower in tab switching (compared to Palemoon).(3)
Despite all performance improvements, Vivaldi is still too often slower in many unexpected places, like typing in the URL bar, typing in forms – sometimes they go smoothly, sometimes the hang and then suddenly bursting out the characters I was typing while it was hanging).(4)
Vivaldi is not able to show me the source code of a loaded page (or frame) without reloading it. (This seems to be the case for all Chromium based browsers). I need these in my everyday's work.(5)
Vivaldi does not have proper context menu for frames (e.g. Open frame in new tab, Open frame in new window). I need this for my everyday work.(6)
Vivaldi does not support correctly some emoticon-like symbols. Sometimes I get messages containing such symbols, e.g. through Facebook Messenger, which appear fine in Palemoon, but show as empty rectangles in Vivaldi. This feeds and increases my worry that I may be seeing misrendered content in Vivaldi anytime.(7)
Vivaldi seems often hanging when page uses flash. News or media sites with flash have unacceptably slow initial loading waiting time.( 8 )
Videos hosted on Facebook show blank black screen, with only audio playng. This feeds and increases my worry that I may be seeing misrendered content in Vivaldi anytime.(9)
If I leave Vivaldi with 5 tabs opened at the evening, and if these were responsive and fine in that evening, on next morning it is unacceptably slow to browse any of these 5 tabs (even the currently active one), and it is terribly slow to switch between those tab. In such cases it is better to kill the browser altogether and start all over again.
(The content of these 5 tabs needs not to be anything kinky. E.g. 3 tabs with phpMyAdmin plus 2 tabs on vivaldi.net are already enough to observe the problem.)(10)
When browser hangs, it is quite hard to kill and restart it. Because even if no Vivaldi window is visible around, restarting Vivaldi does not have any effect. When you click Vivaldi's shortcut, you only see the Windows' "waiting" mouse pointer for a second, and that's all. You don't know if you really clicked the icon? You don't know if the start-up is ongoing? You don't know if the instance you killed is still handing? You need to call Windows Task Manager (Ctrl+Shift+Esc). There you don't see Vivaldi in the Applications list. So you go to the Processes list. There you need to order items alphabetically to see all Vivaldi threads, usually about 8 of them. Now you don't know which one is the master one to klll it, thus killing all others. So usually you need to kill 3-4 of them in order to make all the 8 to die. Only then you can properly restart Vivaldi.
Opera 12 handled this issue by warning you that the previous instance is still shutting down, and offered the choice to kill it prematurely for you. Thus you didn't need to manually tackle it via the OS' Task Manager.(11)
Vivaldi still does not have Synch (mostly my bookmarks) across computers.
