A white skin
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I just looked to see where the "personal bar" is when you're customizing appearance and all toolbars are shown. Its default position is right below the main bar.
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Yay!
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And oh yes, hiding the Opera Button which decided to haunt my Tabs Bar after I hid the original Menu Bar.
I'm not sure about Opera 12, but it can be accomplished in Opera 11 (I don't know why it wouldn't also be possible in 12): right click on the button > customize > appearance > placement > off.
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And oh yes, hiding the Opera Button which decided to haunt my Tabs Bar after I hid the original Menu Bar.
I'm not sure about Opera 12, but it can be accomplished in Opera 11 (I don't know why it wouldn't also be possible in 12): right click on the button > customize > appearance > placement > off.
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Oh, yeah! That's right! You can move it, change it to image or text only, or turn it off, right from the context menu, which generates the relevant popup menu!
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Anyway, with no further ado, here is what I have now :
Now (as you probably know ;)) you could try some different skins to pick up some vertical real estate in the browser window by reducing the vertical space occupied by the Tabs, Bookmarks (Personal) Bar, and Address Bar.
Most of the skins optimized for Opera 11.x work fine on Opera 12.x, and a few were updated specifically for Opera 12.x. Some skins were geared toward reducing vertical space used by toolbars. (Or you can tweak the relevant values for each of those toolbars inside a skin of your choosing.)
Here are a few to choose from (1600+ skins, many too old for Opera 12.x; 1700+ widgets; 550 Symbian themes, etc. in 880MB ZIP file)… ...this persistent URL might (?) also work.
Or I have a collection of about 77 skins said to work on Opera 12.x that I downloaded and archived before MyOpera went down that I might be able to upload somewhere to make available (about 28MB)
Edit: I also meant to mention that it might be possible to "shrink" the Title Bar to a negligible size (e.g., maybe 1 pixel) in some of the skins, but it's been too long since I dinked around with skin editing for me to recall.
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However, I also need my Tab Bar to be located below all of the other upper bars, immediately above the web page, like ALL early tabbed browsers offered, and as current PaleMoon and SeaMonkey, and Pre-Australis FireFox each can still do.
Point of order… one of the earliest tabbed browsers had the tabs where they should actually be - at the bottom!
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Are there any skins/themes in particular which you especially like for Opera 11/12, of the ones which will shave some height from one or more of the bars ?
My motherboard died on the last machine where I had played with a lot of them, and I haven't pulled all the stuff off that HDD yet and don't recall them by name.
On one portable Opera12.14 installation I set up a couple years ago I've been using one called Standard Slim&Classic (standard-slimclassic-1.0.3-1.zip) that is pretty decent. In the skin folder for that installation there are a few others, several of which also look pretty nice. I've included in parentheses the exact ZIP file name as downloaded so that maybe a Google search will turn up some of them:
Classic Skin (11.xx) for Opera (classic-skin-11xx-for-opera-1.0-1.zip)
Chocolate v0.5 (chocolate_v0_5-0_5.zip0
c00_mod (c00_mod-1.0-1.zip)
BreezeII 4.2 (breeze_ii_v4_21b-4_21c.zip)
Opera Classic for 12.00 (opera-classic-for-1200-1.4-1.zip)
Blue RP7 (blue-rp7-2-1.658-1.zip)
7 Skin (7-skin-9.7-1.zip)
Opera Minimal (opera-minimal-1.5-1.zip) [kinda ugly, but definitely more minimal]
Sombre Aero (sombre-aero-1.4.3-1.zip)I'm pretty sure most or all of those were on the MyOpera site or Opera Addons site at the time (Sept 2013), but I don't recall which. I set up that installation rather quickly while visiting a relative across country when I needed to fix her computer, and just picked them out quickly, mostly for appearance and for reduced tab height. They may or may not be there now (of course they won't be there on the MyOpera site, but see sgunhouse's remarks re he what he found currently at Opera Addons).
As always, the challenge is to find ones that are aesthetically pleasing (or at least acceptable) while achieving what you want functionally. Some of the ones that tried for a very 'minimalistic' look also needed/used less pixels per bar/tab height, but weren't very visually appealing to me. I remember when I downloaded all the skins I could find at MyOpera before it closed I also found some at archive.org (Wayback Machine), so that might be an option as well.
One thing I noticed in quickly reviewing the skins listed above is that none of them modified the height of the Menu Bar or the Title Bar, so maybe I was overly optimistic about what is possible with Opera skins.
1st link locked me out unless I visit with a newer browser which cannot use the files which I want. - Catch 22 ?
Yes, I hadn't ever downloaded from Mega before, and couldn't get it with any older browsers. Tried Otter 3x and it seemed to download 99% and then stalled and never finished. Vivaldi appeared to respond to the click to start the download, but after that nothing happened. On both I suspect either UserAgent ID and/or JavaScript issues may be involved, but I didn't try changing the UserAgent in Otter. I finally downloaded it via a test installation of Opera 28.
Newest PaleMoon seems kosher on that site, but I have to free up nearly a gigabyte to DL the file, or hook up that big new external hard drive and unhook one of my smaller ones.
It's not for everyone, and (at 880MB) I posted it half in jest. (I may never use anything from it myself :P)
2nd link expired, I think.
That was the download link reported in Opera 28's Downloads manger after the download completed. It appears to be a "persistent" URL (see the actual URL), so I thought I'd post it. But it may be set up in a way that the server only responds when forwarded from a URL with an accepted "key" appended to the URL (like the first one).
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Did that version of Opera have a choice of Tab bar location ?
I cut my teeth on tabs courtesy of Netscape, and theirs were where I explained.
So were the tabs of all Mozilla browsers until more recently when FireFox got dictatorial on us (and/or copied Chrome), and so was Internet Explorer, for at least versions 7 & 8.
Opera had tabs on the bottom since Opera introduced tabs to internet browsing!(+) It was WAY before Netscape, IE etc. even knew what a tab was (a desktop cluttered with a dozen IE windows was the (horrible) norm back then).
The tabs stayed on the bottom from version 4 IIRC up to around 8 or so. In fact, I was one of the people who protested the change for the default to be on top (it could still be optionally kept on the bottom). The option for top/bottom was around for a very long time as well (I can't be bothered to try to find actual dates and version numbers for all this, sorry).
(+) I believe there was one other experimental browser project which used tabs just before Opera 4 came out, but Opera was certainly the first mainstream one, and had always had multiple documents in a single window (MDI).
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Given time, I have no doubt all of that and more will be possible in Vivaldi.
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@Sajadi:
So please devs, make everything customizable
It already is if you know HTML & CSS
@RRR13:
A lot of things are possible. The willingness to do them is what matters.
For example, Vivaldi does not want to make useful tab stacks, like Opera had.And what exactly they do not want to do? The only thing "missing" I don't see in Vivaldi is the ability to expand the stack without losing the stack.
This pic is for the link in one of my posts in the Vivaldi team's blog thread for today's browser snapshot.
It shows what a couple of days of boredom-fueled creativity can yield, and what could be achieved with the Opera 12 UI in the default theme.
My #1 wish is to see the Vivaldi browser be able to be configured to look like this with every element positioned as below :
I believe modifying the current CSS is already enough to bring a similar look, and without the title bar.
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Given to power of HTML & CSS to render virtually any visual effect, it would seem the customizability of Vivaldi skins will be pretty much unlimited.
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A little hard to do as the address bar is part of main while the title bar is part of header. This should do the trick:
.maximized #header{ height:40px } .normal #header{ height:46px } #pagetitle{ display:none } .toolbar.toolbar-addressbar{ margin-left:34px; margin-top:-34px; width:87%; z-index:10 }
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Forgot that you prefer the full menu rather than the Vivaldi button, in this case edit the width attribute to 68% and margin-left to around 335px.
Also add this:.normal .toolbar.toolbar-addressbar{ width:58px !important }
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Right! Since I said I would post this a while ago, here's how Vivaldi looks on my netbook with XP (classic UI - Win95-Win2000 style):
[attachment=1051]VivaldiXP.png[/attachment]
Note that something has changed since I first wrote about it - the title is no longer displayed next to the menu in version 1.0.151.7.
But… the title is displayed if I switch the menu off!
[attachment=1052]VivaldiXPnomenu.png[/attachment]
Note how the tab colour flows onto the menu/title area… I think that looks much nicer!
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Okay, it's nothing to do with XP or Win7 or whatever… it's because I have the tabs at bottom!
I suddenly wondered if that was the reason, so I switched the tab bar to bottom on this (portable USB) install at work - and sure enough, I get the same thing here (Win7)!
See - I told you tabs-at-bottom was the correct format!
Quite surprising that this simple option changes the whole rendering of a large section of the UI... deliberate? Someone in the team prefers tabs-at-bottom as well?
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…the idea of adding an option to let us set the Vivaldi browser's Tabs Bar position to be the lowest bar immediately above the web page content…I have asked about this around a dozen times...Even if they were to say "NO", it would be better than saying nothing...Vivaldi devs seem to be ignoring my posts.
They have posted replies to many other folks who have been much less polite than I have been so far.
Maybe THAT's what to do - Or just leave, and spread what I have learned.
I have much more confidence in your staying-polite approach so far.
…And I think it's very likely to be an option at some point. But I wouldn't attach much significance to the lack of a developer reply. My impression is that those are almost random on the team blog, maybe when one of the developer's needs a code-break or gets a bit piqued at a complaint. If they were to actually reply to every post, it would probably take each member of the development team 36 hours per day. … Wouldn't ever get those tabs on the bottom then.
If you have a good-quality idea/request (and I think all these tab bar/tool bar issues matter to a lot of users) and bring it up again from time to time, I think it's pretty likely it will find its way into the browser.
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And being a Canadian, it's reputationally out of character for me to be impolite and ornery, but from what I have seen, it's THOSE posts which seem to be getting the replies from the devs.
Are you sure they are Vivaldi devs? Because they hardly reply.
WAIT A MINUTE !
Is your proposed CSS intended for Opera 12, or for Vivaldi ?
Vivaldi. Tested only with tabs on side and bottom.
Maybe An_dz knows a CSS fix to reposition the Vivaldi Tabs Bar such as I have been asking….
Maybe. Haven't tried.
#header { min-height: 0 !important; z-index: auto !important; } .win .topmenu { color: #fff; position: absolute; top: 5px; left: 150px; } .topmenu+#tabs-container.top { border-bottom: 1px solid; position: absolute; top: 62px; width: 100%; z-index: 1 !important; } #tabs-container.bottom #tabs, #tabs-container.top #tabs { height: 30px !important; } .toolbar.toolbar-addressbar { padding-right: 105px; } .button-toolbar.home{ display: none; } .addressfield { margin-left: 280px !important; } .bookmark-bar { margin-bottom: 37px; } .window-buttongroup { z-index: 2; }
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<small>@widget:</small><br><blockquote>To use the skin, copy the folder to the same directory as common.css, then paste this line at the top of common.css <br />@import 'white/style.css'; or @import 'white3d/style.css';<br /><br />Windows: <strong><em>C:\Users<User's name>\Appdata\Local\Vivaldi\Application</em></strong><-Fixed! <br /><strike>Mac: Contents/versions/1.0.83.38/Vivaldi Framework/resources/vivaldi/style/common.css</strike> <–OOPS,My bias is showing! :side: <br />Linux: opt/vivaldi/resources/vivaldi/style/common.css <br />[attachment=516]1.png[/attachment]<br /><br />[attachment=517]2.png[/attachment]</blockquote><br />95% Of win users finally abandoned XP as it's a dead OS, please let it die already, it's been a full year since Microsoft abandoned it… <br /><br />Other than that thank you very much for this valuable piece of info!
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could i get this in black (I don't really do css that well)
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Something changed with the update to Vivaldi 1.0.196.2 x64, the white/style isn't being loaded by Vivaldi anymore. Any ideas on what needs to be fixed?
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Actually it does load, but button styles overlap. The "original" white forward/back/reload/home don't disappear to allow the "new" dark buttons to show on the white background.
[attachment=1302]buttonclash.png[/attachment]
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