There is a reason that prevents me to move to new browsers from Opera 12 (many tabs in one window)
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I just gave you simple solution for the issue you described. You think that you are the first one to notice that handling of many tabs needs some work? I think you don't have to be Einstein to see that it must be corrected.
However even when they fix it to some level (there are always people who will say that it could work better) I still can't see better solution for closing tab than middle mouse button. It's just the easiest and the most efficient way to close tabs when you've got dozens of them. -
Anyway I don't really understand the need of having such of a mess of opened tabs.
X button or not, separator or not, so many tabs are still indistinguishable from each other, so the time gained having the tab already opened will be shadowed by the time spent figuring where the tab you need is.
Middle button is the best way to close a tab, but in an overcrowded tab bar may be wort to assign the CTRL+F4 combination to one of the mouse buttons: one click to focus (and check) the tab yo want to close + one click to close it.
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Truth be told, while I perfectly understand the need to use many tabs at once (my normal average is 50), I've yet to reach a point in Vivaldi where they would become indistinguishable from one another. Even with 50+ tabs, in a maximized browser window, every single tab is perfectly identifiable by its favicon. In Chrome/Chromium, this is a much bigger problem, since the tabs take up a lot more space visually.
Also, Vivaldi in its current state seems to slow down noticeably when going over something like 30 tabs here and with around 50 tabs, it becomes quite unresponsive in general.
And I wish the "x" button on tabs could be disabled. I don't think anyone who tends to work with many tabs uses it anyway, there's several better options for closing tabs without the need for such button.
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I still can't see better solution for closing tab than middle mouse button. It's just the easiest and the most efficient way to close tabs when you've got dozens of them.
Hmm, my mouse does not have a middle button. What to do, my friend β¦ ?
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I still can't see better solution for closing tab than middle mouse button. It's just the easiest and the most efficient way to close tabs when you've got dozens of them.
Hmm, my mouse does not have a middle button. What to do, my friend β¦ ?
I have a physical disability and using the middle mouse button is almost impossible for me.
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Buy some Vivaldi developer a beer and ask to implement SHIFT + LMB to close tab (this works on Opera 12 and on ChrOpera) You can also use some mouse emulator to assign missing button to a keyboard, http://neatdecisions.com/products/neatmouse/
@helsten2
You can also⦠buy yourself a proper three button (at least :P) mouse and make your problem disappear -
It already is there as CTRL+LMB (same as Opera Presto and I believe IE)
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I just gave you simple solution for the issue you described. You think that you are the first one to notice that handling of many tabs needs some work? I think you don't have to be Einstein to see that it must be corrected.
However even when they fix it to some level (there are always people who will say that it could work better) I still can't see better solution for closing tab than middle mouse button. It's just the easiest and the most efficient way to close tabs when you've got dozens of them.i'm appreciate you help, but it's not a solution. It's a workaround and only for one of three issues.
@Al-Khwarizmi:
This is my current O12 tab bar.
As you can see, 51 tabs, which are all perfectly distinguishable at a glance due to the favicon, perfectly selectable due to disabling "show close button on each tab", and perfectly closeable without lifting the finger with the left mouse button or learning yet another shortcut, due to the standard MDI window controls that appear on the right when "show menu bar" is enabled and that are the same as in other Windows MDI programs, providing a uniform and very efficient UI.
At the moment, no browser comes close to this functionality. I hope Vivaldi implements it.
I hope so too.
You can try use skin that i posted above and you will see window with 50 tabs & enabled option "show close button on each tab" (see screenshot).
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I just hope they implement tab bar scrolling. You set minimum tab's width, lets say 20 pixels (favicon+borders) before scrollbar appears. It lets you choose how much you can see from tabs (favicon, x close button or even title with width over 150px) and you still are able to display from 40 to 50 tabs. Firefox is doing it for so many years and it just frigging works (just the option how wide the tab is, is hidden in about:config). I don't understand why any other browser does not support it. It would even work better on tablets with fat fingers, you can swipe to scroll through tabs, and easily select correct tab without any "ninja" skill to select tab that is 2 pixels wide.
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone mention another thing that makes Opera Presto much better with many tabs open - the [beginning β¦ end] way of truncating tab titles!
Currently, Vivaldi still shows multiple tabs on this forum all as [Vivaldi.net - Vivaldi Forum -] whereas Opera Presto would show this one as something like [Vivaldi.net β¦ one window)].
The second option is vastly superior with multiple tabs from one site!
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Hm. Agree.
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A truncated title in Opera 12.17 is still pretty useless. The tooltip that shows up when hovering the tab is much more useful than the tab previews in Vivalidi or Opera 12.17.
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I just hope they implement tab bar scrolling. You set minimum tab's width, lets say 20 pixels (favicon+borders) before scrollbar appears. It lets you choose how much you can see from tabs (favicon, x close button or even title with width over 150px) and you still are able to display from 40 to 50 tabs. Firefox is doing it for so many years and it just frigging works (just the option how wide the tab is, is hidden in about:config). I don't understand why any other browser does not support it. It would even work better on tablets with fat fingers, you can swipe to scroll through tabs, and easily select correct tab without any "ninja" skill to select tab that is 2 pixels wide.
bar scrolling is bad idea. that's why i'm still using opera presto but not firefox .
10 pixels tab can be useful as well as 20 pixelsDo developers read this forum usually or at least sometimes? :whistle:
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I just hope they implement tab bar scrolling. You set minimum tab's width, lets say 20 pixels (favicon+borders) before scrollbar appears. It lets you choose how much you can see from tabs (favicon, x close button or even title with width over 150px) and you still are able to display from 40 to 50 tabs. Firefox is doing it for so many years and it just frigging works (just the option how wide the tab is, is hidden in about:config). I don't understand why any other browser does not support it. It would even work better on tablets with fat fingers, you can swipe to scroll through tabs, and easily select correct tab without any "ninja" skill to select tab that is 2 pixels wide.
bar scrolling is bad idea. that's why i'm still using opera presto but not firefox .
10 pixels tab can be useful as well as 20 pixelsDo developers read this forum usually or at least sometimes? :whistle:
I'm sure they do. If you read my previous post carefully you would understand that you would have a possibility to set it to whatever size you want?
I proposed this before, but I'm sure nobody have read that.
You would have an option for it, if you set minimum tab width to 0, you would have current behavior, if you set it to something bigger than zero, scroll bar would appear when tabs get to this size.
Simple and logical. Default would be 0 of course, for clumpy tabs lovers .
This would solve tabs overlapping when tabs would be set on side, which looks really bad right now.[attachment=756]scroll_please_2015-03-02.jpg[/attachment]
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This is how it looks in the latest Vivaldi build with Tab Tooltips (i.e. Previews) disabled:
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This is how it looks in the latest Vivaldi build with Tab Tooltips (i.e. Previews) disabled:
Good, good
Anyway, I reaaaaaly hope for scrolling (optional, because most don't want it?), to solve my problem from above.
I will just wait and see, if this is not solved in future I'm sorry but I don't see it much as a professional browser. Just like Chrome which is more like tool. I managed it with Outliner, but it's not so comfy because it's in a separate window. So I'm working in Firefox now, but man it's slow and it's worse and worse since version 29.
I work in visual design and game dev, and I need around 150-200 tabs open with scripting docs/git, and I don't have time to look at hints⦠I have to point to a correct tab, switch to it, copy some code and move on. For me scrolling is faster, usually having a bit more than one screen space of tabs takes just a half of a second to scroll, pick up a tab with eyes move mouse a little and click.Anyway keep up the good work, time will tell if I will switch to Vivaldi or not. Cheers
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I work in visual design and game dev, and I need around 150-200 tabs open
That'll be a while before Vivaldi can do that, I reckon. Right now, it starts slowing down a lot when you get over something like 20-30 tabs and with 50 tabs, it's terribly sluggish. As is pretty much every other Chromium-based browser, including the current Opera (which is actually best of the bunch right now in this regard).
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I work in visual design and game dev, and I need around 150-200 tabs open
That'll be a while before Vivaldi can do that, I reckon. Right now, it starts slowing down a lot when you get over something like 20-30 tabs and with 50 tabs, it's terribly sluggish. As is pretty much every other Chromium-based browser, including the current Opera (which is actually best of the bunch right now in this regard).
Indeed it's slow with this many tabs on more demanding webpages, and "The Great Tab Suspender" extension which I use in Chrome does not work in Vivaldi. But nonetheless I tried it at work, only disturbing thing was that tabs overlapped badly (this is why my rant). With 40 tabs selecting tabs was really inaccurate, sometimes wrong tab is selected. Unfortunately I can't use it as it is now. Hope devs will look into it and will not just close an eye and avoid the problem. :huh:
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Well, no any answer from dev.
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Indeed it's slow with this many tabs on more demanding webpages, and "The Great Tab Suspender" extension which I use in Chrome does not work in Vivaldi.
Give the needed time to the Vivaldi developers.
In the meantimeβ¦
https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/2754-lazy-tabs-workaround