My lamentations thread
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@tbgbe now that is strange, on the help page is stated:
"It can also be used to create a portable (USB install) of Vivaldi that you could store on an external disk, for sharing between computers."
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@ian-coog said in My lamentations thread:
@tbgbe now that is strange, on the help page is stated:
"It can also be used to create a portable (USB install) of Vivaldi that you could store on an external disk, for sharing between computers."
when for 2 years we always stated that Standalone install is not actually portable.@gwen-dragon said in My lamentations thread:
@ian-coog Should be written as:
'It can also be used to create a portable (USB install) of Vivaldi that you could store on an external disk, for sharing almost all between computers.'Are you telling me this behavior actually is a feature and not an horrible bug?
Have a look at this Opera 12 install dialog... and feel the bitter irony.Apart from Vivaldi trolling their users, I was asking for technical information about extensions and saved passwords in order to know what folders I need to extract from my appdata backup.
By the way I find hilarious how this forum page breaks so hard (post text area is so buggy) when viewing it with Vivaldi itself...
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we're all here because we miss Opera 12, Vivaldi aims to become what Opera 12 was for everyone, still Vivaldi is not at that level. I'm with you that an "almost" is not enough and that should be corrected, in due time.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as (at least) stored password (and extensions?) are user account-bound by encryption(?), a real portable version would not be properly feasible, right?
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@morg42 said in My lamentations thread:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as (at least) stored password (and extensions?) are user account-bound by encryption(?), a real portable version would not be properly feasible, right?
That would be correct in the fullest sense of the meaning of a "portable" version, at least as long as no alternate mechanism for protecting, saving, and using stored passwords and extensions has not been designed into the browser. The difficulty in doing that may be reflected by how few chromium-based browsers do it.
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@blackbird Sure. As far as I know only Chrome encrypts the login data via the user account.
Without an encryption (not acceptable) or a separate master password a true portable version might be possible; I'm not sure how far the devs want to go in replacing or complementing Chrome's logon encryption with their own version. One might have to think about syncing those two locally (on non-portable installs) and how to integrate with Vivaldi sync...
At the moment I don't see a true portable Vivaldi. Maybe this might be communicated a bit more direct by Vivaldi in the installer. I have the feeling that this might frequently be misunderstood...
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@ian-coog said in My lamentations thread:
@tbgbe now that is strange, on the help page is stated:
"It can also be used to create a portable (USB install) of Vivaldi that you could store on an external disk, for sharing between computers."
when for 2 years we always stated that Standalone install is not actually portable.Oh yes, that was brought up in another thread, I had not realised it was unchanged!?
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/22634/what-s-in-a-term-snapshot-vs-stable -
@gwen-dragon said in My lamentations thread:
Have a look at this Opera 12 install dialog... and feel the bitter irony.
I do not know what you want to say with this picture.
Vivaldi's setup is misleading because in old opera Standalone = Portable. That I was saying.
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By the way portable versions of chromium and chrome exist:
http://crportable.sourceforge.net/
https://www.chrome-portable.com/Regarding encryption and passwords:
[...] If not, the Google Chrome password file is located in C:\Users$username\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default and it's the Login Data file.
I actually found this file in my "Standalone" install, and it actually contains websites and user names so I think it is the good one.
So the problem is that it is unable to decrypt the database and the feature does not work?
Regarding extensions:
I installed adguard (id: bgnkhhnnamicmpeenaelnjfhikgbkllg) and looked for the id in files and folder names. The only place it appeared is in a subfolder of the "standalone" vivaldi root: .\User Data\Default\Extensions\bgnkhhnnamicmpeenaelnjfhikgbkllg
Does the fact that the above folder is empty save for the newly installed extension mean Vivaldi actually pruned it after I moved to a new pc? Opening the bgnkhhnnamicmpeenaelnjfhikgbkllg folder reveals the unencrypted unpacked extension.
Am I missing something? Can someone explain me how extensions and passwords are stored exactly?
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@gwen-dragon said in My lamentations thread:
That Vivaldi install of Standalone does not have portable extensions and passwords is a missing feature, not a bug. Same as on Chromiums.
Hmmmm
Then,
Opera blinks behaves different despite the use of Chromium.Recently I've made a profile in PC1 and copied to PC2, and that one is keeping the Extensions, even more, they shares the same SpeedDial Sync. xD
| - Because of that "couldn't belive" that Vivaldi behave different, as said on the other thread -.
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Now AdGuard's panel is bugged to death, displays corrupted UI and does not block ads anymore.
Well, I think Vivaldi definitely needs some time to grow into a viable replacement for old Opera. By the way I really miss NoScript (I found some WebAPI alternatives, but even the official one dropped a lot of functionality). Disappearing extensions do not help, so I'm going to move back to my (correctly working) portable Firefox ESR for the time being.
I'll wait at the Portable Email Client station to hop on the Vivaldi train again.
Happy New Year!
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@morg42 said in My lamentations thread:
@blackbird Sure. As far as I know only Chrome encrypts the login data via the user account.
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One might have to think about syncing those two locally (on non-portable installs) and how to integrate with Vivaldi sync...
Reading several posts here I wanted to mention that (I think) sync should fix all the issues with passwords etc. for a standalone installation on USB - and that sync is now working in 1.14 snapshots (in case users don't realise they can try it already!).
At the moment I don't see a true portable Vivaldi. Maybe this might be communicated a bit more direct by Vivaldi in the installer. I have the feeling that this might frequently be misunderstood...
I agree on this point. From personal experience over the last three years I know that running Vivaldi from USB is difficult and slow! Hopefully, the developers can use sync to fix this.
In fact, this thread has inspired me to add a feature request for standalone+sync for a true portable installation!
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@beppe9000 said in My lamentations thread:
Well, I think Vivaldi definitely needs some time to grow into a viable replacement for old Opera.
IMO this heavily depends on what you want to do with your browser. Vivaldi has been my only (!) browser for over a year now, and never really left me wanting. Mind you, I only need a browser, not a browsing-capable video client, an email client or whatever... YMMV.
By the way I really miss NoScript
Try ScriptBlock from the Google Store.
Disappearing extensions do not help
Disappearing from the store (i.e. not available anymore) or disappearing from your current installation?
so I'm going to move back to my (correctly working) portable Firefox ESR for the time being.
Maybe at the moment that is the better alternative for you? Hope you will find out
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@mossman said in My lamentations thread:
Reading several posts here I wanted to mention that (I think) sync should fix all the issues with passwords etc. for a standalone installation on USB - and that sync is now working in 1.14 snapshots (in case users don't realise they can try it already!).
As long as you / the other users realize that sync is still a beta feature and neither complete nor reliably stable...
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