Zero Tolerance with users who violate forum rules
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The idea of an "troll army" doesn't seem so far-fetched to me.
This kind of spam has been popping up in forums and in some open source messengers for some time now.
Always following the same pattern.I think it's good and right to deal with these things openly and transparently.
People who behave like this should know that it's not just the Vivaldi team and moderators who talk about it, but also "normal" users.
And not just only behind closed doors.As I said, the better known and more popular Vivaldi becomes, the more we will have to deal with these things.
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@TheQuantumAlpha, agree, the clue isn't to censor the opinion justified against Vivaldi, which everybody can have, but the lack of education and respect to other users and the team. The perfect browser for everybody don't exist, it can exist only on individual level and Vivaldi isn't an exception, it also lacks features which some user need and claiming and discussing this in an objective and respectfull way never can and will be censored, but insulting and calling inept those who only want to help solve an issue.
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@TheQuantumAlpha
Reading your comment it seems that you are talking about freedom of speech on Twitter. Let me make it clear, this is not Twitter.
I was not talking about expressing your opinion, whatever it may be, but to do it disrespecting, insulting, with foul language, offending, in an offensive and arrogant way and denigrating the Vivaldi team, or the moderators for not solving their little problem immediately, as if that was their life.
Perhaps the terms Zero tolerance and "just once" may have been too extreme, but they served their purpose of making the point.
And I think that after this thread, those people will think twice about the next opportunity they have to release their ........ (Each one completes it as he/she sees fit)
Also, I was referring to people who stubbornly do it repeatedly. In that case gradual punishment is the right thing to do.
But that there must be a serious punishment at the end, I have no doubt.
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@TheQuantumAlpha So you defend attacks, intimidation, threats as opinion and use of free speech.
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As said before, free speech is an basic right, but aggression, insults and lack of respect have nothing to do with free speech, just as hitting a person has nothing to do with expressing an opinion.
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I do not understand why we have to discuss for this community?
Users who registered in community confirmed that they accept the Terms Of Use. Such is like signing a contract.
If they violate them they get warned, if they do not stop, they will be banned.
What is wrong with respecting the Terms Of Use?
//edit: I am tired to tell users RTFToU and RTFCoC!
And i am tired since decades to read users complaining in discussion groups and WWW forums how unfree they are and not allowed to do everything they want, yelling about free speech and censorship when they show anti-social an criminal behaviour.
I tell you all: "Bernd, go home to *Chan."
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@TheQuantumAlpha As it happens, the terms of service mandate respect and politesse. They also advocate for kindness and friendliness.
I sometimes see "straightforward" used as a synonym for "brutal honesty." Trouble with that is that brutal honesty is not just honest - it's also brutal. But the speaker defends the emotional abuse it entails by stating they were "only being honest." Honesty can deal in truth without freighting that truth with negative feeling, scorn, contempt that the speaker ALSO feels. It is wholly unnecessary to be unfriendly or unkind in order to be honest. But, you see, if one doesn't like being verbally savaged and spat upon, they are just a lily-livered whiner who "can't handle the truth."
So, "straightforward." Yes. ("I find tab-stacking useless. The lines of code for it could be jettisoned with no loss to the browser." "I can't see any point for an email client in a browser. I think resources ought not be wasted on it." "In my view, page capture is very poorly executed. It would be better if..." etc.) Respect and politeness? Also, yes.
Something as seemingly mild as "you guys don't know what you're doing" is actually a violation of the terms a user agreed to when signing on.
And lastly, lest we forget, this is a community about a browser. We have chit-chat and social categories so users can noodle around a little and talk about things that don't matter, but if it's not about a browser, it's not why the community exists - and I have zero qualms about shutting down political, religious, or similar comments, things about morality, tradition, etc. It almost doesn't matter WHAT you say in such areas, you are sure to tick someone off. And that's against the Code of Conduct.
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It got funny and weird.
The user wrote a message.
He later added on his https://forum.vivaldi.net/user/... link to casino.
The link was spotted: https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/764928
The user was banned, I suspect because of the casino link.
The user's messages disappeared, but on his https://forum.vivaldi.net/user.... casino link is still available and clickable.
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@Ryszard I reported the spam profile now internally.
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@Ryszard The user was banned for inserting a spam link in their post, not for their profile link. Only logged-in users can see profiles, so they're basically useless for SEO spammers, since they won't get index by search engines anyway.
Of course, if a logged-in user actually clicks the link to what is clearly a gambling site, they can only blame themselves.
We do appreciate if you report such profiles though, might help to catch them before any damage is done.
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@Sudger welcome to the forum and... huh?
