Tab Stacking being Difficult
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Since I've updated to the most recent version, tab stacking by drag and drop is harder and buggy. Every time I try to make a tab stack or ADD to an existing tab stack, instead of falling in place where the other tab even highlighted to show that I'm stacking these two / showing a dotted outline in two-level view, it opens to an entirely new window.
I have to shrink the new window, drag it off of that window and onto the SAME spot I just tried dragging it onto, only for it to not stack or go into that stack despite the UI showing it should, and just plopping it back into the tab bar as a single rogue tab.
It ONLY works the third time, consistently I have to fail to stack the tab twice, just to miraculously work the third time I try to position it. I haven't even bothered to see if trying to move tabs between two different stacks after it works will cause it to fail the same way.
That or, make a new tab stack the painful way, then open new tabs in the existing stack and copy+paste the URL I already opened in a different tab into this tab so I don't have to drag it THREE times just to make it go in.
Herding tabs is harder for no reason + I'm one of those people with 45 tabs at all times in the same window.
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@Chrysanth See Settings, Tabs, Tab Stack Options, Stacking Drop Delay. Drag it to the shortest setting.
Do not move the mouse cursor away from the tab bar when dragging tabs. This will detach them to a new window.
Tab Dragging in Vivaldi 7.1 Snapshot (Updated video)
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@Pesala Thanks so much! I remember being able to hover away with so much more leeway in older versions, and my other Macbook still uses 3.0. Testing it out even a small movement will send me off into a new window even if the tab didn't move entirely off of the tab bar. I do have naturally shaky hands though, might be a me problem since it happened every time. I'll have to be slower from now on.
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I'm a relatively new Vivaldi user on Windows 10 and I too have to say that Tab Stacking is notoriously unreliable with the drag-and-drop implementation. Problems ranging from not having the UI display drags at all to the UI displaying the drop and then not doing anything upon releasing the mouse button.
There are also a large number of quirks that defy the expectations of the user such as;
- not being able to drag several tab out into a new stack (it always separates into individual tabs).
- not being able to constrain close tab behavior within the tab stack even in settings.
- poor highlighting UI choices to show the active tab (especially with only two tabs in a stack, you have to guess which is the active tab) This is why most modern browsers are more explicit with the active tab in their UI design.
- generally, throughout the entire interface there are no options to launch group selections into a tab stack (such as the history).
This really does need addressing as stacking tabs is probably Vivaldi's killer feature and isn't very friendly in it's current state. It also desperately needs a "move to new tab stack" feature from one stack to another.
I really love having two tab bars which I really feel does help with overcrowding but the UX of tab stacking in sum otherwise feel overly minimal as if the feature was an afterthought.
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@Machineabuse You're much better off using the Window panel in the sidebar functionality. More reliable and more features.
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@paul1149 Sidebars aren't for me; I use my browser almost exclusively tiled across a single monitor with other programs (often browser based apps) and sidebars make my browsing too much of a start-stop experience when I just want to drag something from one window to another.
It's why despite their deficiencies I'm willing to put up with the tab stacks' shortcomings.
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Do not move the mouse cursor away from the tab bar when dragging tabs. This will detach them to a new window.
Most unfortunately, with two-level vertical tab bar, dragging a tab from the second-level bar to the first-level bar always detaches it, in spite of the first-level bar showing drop signs and what not. It's quite a pity to have a killer feature with endless papercuts nobody bothers to fix.
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@chalex2020 That is the expected behaviour. If you want to rearrange the order of the tabs within the stack, drop it on the second-level tab bar (or drop it on top of the stack that you want to add it to).
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@Pesala said in Tab Stacking being Difficult:
or drop it on top of the stack that you want to > add it to
I want to move it to another stack. Just dragging it from the second-level bar on top of that stack (in the first-level bar) detaches it into a separate window.
I can achieve it by "unstack"ing and then dragging, or use the window sidebar, that's why it's a papercut and not a showstopper but still... -
@chalex2020 Just to be sure, I checked again, and as I said, a tab can be dragged from one stack to another by dragging it from the second level to the first level and dropping it onto another tab stack.
If you have trouble doing this, drag it right away from the tab bar first, then drop it onto the target tab stack.
Practice makes perfect. It is really not difficult to do.
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@Pesala said in Tab Stacking being Difficult:
a tab can be dragged from one stack to another by dragging it from the second level to the first level and dropping it onto another tab stack.
Is there any tutorial / handholding video explaining this? Whatever I do, it seems that the tab does enter the target stack but then gets unavoidably detached.
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@chalex2020 See my earlier post in this thread for a link to a video.
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@Pesala said in Tab Stacking being Difficult:
@chalex2020 See my earlier post in this thread for a link to a video.
Yep, saw that. I went for more or less exactly what was shown in that video. The tabs landed into their intended places and then immeidately got detached.
IMO, the whole principle "if you miss the tab bar one time by one pixel, your tab will be detached" is deeply mistaken. It should be "if you drop the tab clearly outside the tab bar, it's detached" (exactly as the video tries to state).
Can it do with the fact that I'm using a snapshot and not a stable release, or with the fact that I'm in Wayland environment? -
@chalex2020 I always use the latest Snapshot as my default browser. (See my sig)
I updated the video, as the first one was for Vivaldi 3.8.
Just play with the feature to see what it can do and what its limitations are.
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@Pesala said in Tab Stacking being Difficult:
I updated the video, as the first one was for Vivaldi 3.8.
"Video is private". Please fix.
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@Pesala said in Tab Stacking being Difficult:
@chalex2020 I always use the latest Snapshot as my default browser. (See my sig)
Tab Dragging in Vivaldi 7.1 SnapshotNo dice at all.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zf2ltT-y-dL9oYKtBtoemEQFDtAoKKPt/view?usp=drive_link
Here is my screencast, just tell me what exactly I'm doing wrong. Can this be some limitation of Wayland/Linux? -
@chalex2020
Hi, yours is private too.
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@mib2berlin Ouch
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@chalex2020
It's a bit hard to see but try to move the tab up and then horizontal to the stack you want.
I am on Linux X11 but I don't think Wayland plays a role here. -
@mib2berlin Same old story. BTW, every video refers to the horizontal tab bar. Vertical is most probably a second class citizen (I'm looking at you, pinned tabs).
