Slow YouTube experience
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After opening YouTube for the first time or when there's no other YouTube tab open, even after the page is completely loaded, everything else will be shown immediately but there's a mysterious delay showing how many time all the suggested videos has.
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@VivaldiHelper
Hi, I get the same delay in Chrome, a new feature of Chromium I guess. You should click on a video before you know how long it is.
No idea in reality what this should do.Cheers, mib
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@VivaldiHelper , yes, YT in general was always quite slow to load, I imagine for reasons of the large number of trackers and other garbage it contains. This is why I usually use one of the front-ends that exist, which work much faster to load YouTube videos, are much more private and avoid in many cases the restrictions by country or age, which YT so absurdly has.
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@mib2berlin I'm not sure if it is really a new feature, since their app shows it immediatelly and in general in the last month I was able to get the suggested videos to show up how long they are when the page is completely loaded, together with the title, thumbnail and etc... not needing to hover over the videos... I'm pretty sure it is a bug because if you search for a video all the results show how long they are immediatelly when the page is fully loaded. I'm currently aware that Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge Chromium, Brave, Firefox and Vivaldi have this bug. I reported this bug for all other browsers as well. I hope they fix it soon, because we need to have this information when the page is ready.
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@Catweazle Yeah, that's true, but that specific bug I have never seen before. The page won't take long to fully load. But the info of how long each suggested video has is harmful because we're used to have it immediately when the page is completely ready for us. This same bug don't happen in the official app for Android or for the results into the searched videos. In which kinda makes it clear that it is really a bug that affect at least all this browsers I mentioned in my earlier reply.
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@VivaldiHelper said in Slow YouTube experience:
I'm currently aware that Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge Chromium, Brave, Firefox and Vivaldi have this bug.
When all the Chromium Browsers and Firefox show the same behavior, then it is probably worth considering it is a problem with the YouTube website rather than a bug present in all the browsers.
Even if the YouTube App doesn't have the issue, that doesn't mean the website version isn't what is truly broken. They both rely on the same backend servers, but the frontend code is different and provides plenty of opportunities for varying behaviors between the two.
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Hello, I sent a report to the YouTube about this behavior, and you're right. It might be a site's side problem, anyway, being browser sided or site sided, all of the responsibles from each are currently aware of this. I hope we can get a fix soon! It would be a good time to more people send this report to the YouTube as well, that'd make it easier to them to see it. Anyway, I hope this problem gets fixed as soon as possible, be it the problem from the browsers, be it the problem from the site itself.
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@VivaldiHelper Go to your YouTube settings and disable Inline playback. I would not be at all surprised if that will save a lot of processing cycles and caching.
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I have tried this setting as you suggested, I've got no meaningful improvement here. (I'm currently using Vivaldi to test the behavior and write this) the behavior whose led me create this publish in the Forum it is still here. The best we can do right now, it is to report it to the YouTube then. Being a browser sided problem or a website sided problem, I hope the responsibles can fix it as fast as possible.
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@VivaldiHelper, I think the main problem with YouTube, apart from all this Google crap it contains, is the design of the page itself, apart from the comments in an infinite scroll without pagination, also the thumbnails of the suggested videos, also without pagination. This necessarily has to slow down the load, also a lot.
If a chat also appears next to some streaming videos, we have just messed it up completely.
Piped, with better video quality, also in cinema format by default, but without so much additional garbage on the page, it loads like a shot, the same with the other front-ends, that is, it is not because of the format or weight of the video -
I use the mobile version of youtube which is far more friendlier on the system than the default site.
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@VivaldiHelper
Hi, same here, no problems to load the page in one second but the running time of the video need 3 seconds to appear.
@Pesala
The loading time may be a bit faster with this setting but does not influence this issue.It does not bother me, I need this time to see which videos are even displayed on the site.
Cheers, mib
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I noticed this about a week or two ago. Quite annoying. Never got around to testing other browsers, but seems it's not browser related rather a bug (or feature?) that they've added recently.
@Pesala said in Slow YouTube experience:
Go to your YouTube settings and disable Inline playback. I would not be at all surprised if that will save a lot of processing cycles and caching.
I've had this disabled since shortly after it was implemented as I found it annoying. This issue only just recently started, so was definitely not related.
Sent a feedback report about... i guess we wait now.
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@7twenty Yeah, it is really annoying, I'm pretty sure it is not a new feature, because the info of how long each video is, is immediatelly shown up for videos you search on the website. There must be something wrong somewhere. Now, I don't know if it is from YouTube itself or from the browsers... what's causing this annoying behavior needs to be diagnosticted and fixed. Whoever is guilty for this, needs to fix it as fast as possible. That's affecting a important aspect of our experience in the website.
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I have Vilaldi and Chrome running at the same time, same video. Chrome has flawless video playback, it loads the video at 1080p60fps, no issues here. Vivaldi loads a bit of the video, then steps, stuttersteps, switches to 360p, and continues playback at low quality. Even if I manually switch at 1080p60fps, you can clearly see that the playback is choppy, and pretty far away from 30fps, much less 60fps. I love Vivaldi for tab grouping and Tiling, it is a must have on an ultrawide monitor, but Chrome already added tab grouping and it looks better.
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@dumitrudan608
Hi, I cant reproduce this, extensions working in Chrome but not in Vivaldi can cause this.
Next candidate are third party security software, VPN, cleaning software.
These may work for Chrome, Edge or Firefox but slowdown, block or even create tb crashes in Vivaldi.Test this in a private window or the guest view.
https://help.vivaldi.com/article/guest-view/
Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin Thanks for the reply, is there any way to check Which extensions are compatible with Vivaldi and which not? Can we start like an updatable database just to share from our experience?
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@mib2berlin Just tested Guest View vs Chrome, and it's still choppy and not smooth at all. Google might impose some limitations to YouTube that only Chrome and Edge can overcome. Will keep testing though.
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@dumitrudan608
Chrome use different closed video codecs Vivaldi can not use but I can watch two 4K 60fps on two displays on my Minisforum PC, specs in my signature.
Will check again on Windows 11.Cheers, mib
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@dumitrudan608 said in Slow YouTube experience:
Vivaldi loads a bit of the video, then steps, stuttersteps, switches to 360p, and continues playback at low quality. Even if I manually switch at 1080p60fps, you can clearly see that the playback is choppy, and pretty far away from 30fps, much less 60fps
Been noticing this for a while as well. Very annoying.
I only have 7 extensions running. Only one (uBlock) might be the culprit. All others are related to vivaldi forum, mouse control, image manipulation, PiP. No reason why any of those should be affecting YT video.
Will play around at some stage.
