"Startup boost" like in ms edge?

VitaleyUsa

Hello everyone, does vivaldi have a function "Startup boost" like in ms edge?

Startup boost
The second new feature is 'Startup boost', which will automatically maximize your device performance by reducing the time it takes to open the browser after a device reboot or reopening the browser.

The Startup Boost feature works by automatically launching a background Microsoft Edge process when a user logs into Windows. When Edge is launched, this background process will quickly launch a new visible browser window to interact with.

When the browser Windows is closed, the background Edge process will continue to run while waiting for a request to launch the browser again.

Startup boost feature will be enabled automatically in the coming weeks and Microsoft believes that startup times will improve from 29% – 41% percent with this feature.

Can't find something similar in vivaldi://flags as well.

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Pesala

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Startup boost

The second new feature is 'Startup boost', which will automatically maximize your device performance by reducing the time it takes to open the browser after a device reboot or reopening the browser.

I suspect that it is just snake-oil. Edge starts faster by loading some code at Windows bootup instead of when you launch the application. If you start Vivaldi with Last Session that will save you time, but not so much if you open loads of tabs/windows.

VitaleyUsa

@Pesala Thanks for the MD Help, will use it further : )

If i understand right - edge just loads all extensions + core in background and keep it there, some browsers except edge (yandex browser for example) use the same model.
I know that many prefers not to load something in background, but .. i really like the option, when you (for example) accidentally close edge, you still can open it in a blink of an eye even if you have a lot of tabs. In vivaldi i used to wait for some time (not much) but still .. it just feels good when everything works fast : ]

So .. no option in vivaldi right now for this? And no internal hacks that can do it? It's chromium inside, i thought that you still can do it manually somehow.. : )

Pesala

@VitaleyUsa I only use three tabs (including mail) in two windows, so Vivaldi restarts in about 3 seconds. Maybe others who open a lot of tabs can offer some tips.

Catweazle

@Gwen-Dragon , same, but also with all other browsers I have, but I've noticed, that the Start is faster with the Vivaldi Trashbin with last visited sites empty (There should be an auto-empty option after a certain amount and not having to do it by hand)

VitaleyUsa

@Pesala, @Gwen-Dragon , @Catweazle
I will try to show what i mean. Two browsers with equal tabs, almost equal extensions.

Record on recordit
Not much fps, but anyway you can see, that when i close edge and open it again, it opening in less than a second, but when i close vivaldi, it opening in about 2-3 sec..

Catweazle

@VitaleyUsa , I don't noticed such difference with FF and Edge I have

VitaleyUsa

@Catweazle did you enable startup boost in edge? You can find this feature at edge://settings/system
Don't know about FF..

Catweazle

@VitaleyUsa , Ihad activate nothing in EDGE, I don't use it normally, only for download a Browser in new Window. Edge is part of the OS and maybe for this reason has a extra cache from Windows as Boost.

VitaleyUsa

@Catweazle prob that's why you don't see the diff in that case

nah, it's not about windows extra cache, it's just about loading the core + extensions in background and not unloading it after closing browser window, it's like.. you just hide browser window instead of killing it from processes

Catweazle

@VitaleyUsa , maybe, I don't know, also it don't bother me much if a browser need few decimals of seconds more ore less then others to open, if I need a fast browser I would use Min or Lynx (the first a window with searchbar and few more and the second textbased, normal that they are faster than others)

Ayespy

@VitaleyUsa said in "Startup boost" like in ms edge?:

The Startup Boost feature works by automatically launching a background Microsoft Edge process when a user logs into Windows.

You could do this by adding Vivaldi to your startup programs in Windows. (Vivaldi would start with Windows every time you fire up the operating system.) I think it's a terrible idea, but something you certainly can do.

Here, a new instance of Vivaldi after system restart takes 3 whole seconds. I know I'm completely wasting my life, not having an instantaneous response, but it's a small price to pay for not having random krap running on my machine all the time that I don't need, don't want, and that increases security vulnerabilities by increasing the attack surface for intrusions.

VitaleyUsa

@Gwen-Dragon
sorry, but no. It's not a windows - only patch from MS. Other browsers have this feature too, as i mentioned before (yandex-browser for example).

I made another quick experiment with all major browsers:
browsers startup comparison (yandex | edge | vivaldi | opera | firefox)

No extensions, clean install, no settings.
As you can see - vivaldi starts not so fast as others. Is there some option like --enable-push-api-background-mode ?

@Ayespy
Main target is not how to start vivaldi with windows, main target is to decrease the time that vivaldi takes to load itself.

I'm not agitating you to use this feature or to waste your time for shaming me for such a stupid question or something like that. I'm just asking a workaround for myself and people like me who needs this feature.
I found a good reason for this from another guy:

Startup time may be a deciding factor on desktop PC when you need to open and close browser frequently.

I, as a programmer need to do it very often: for testing my web applications, for referring documentation and so on.

It takes me a couple of seconds to start up browser each time. Recently I switched to Chrome and it's way faster.

I mean - it's a huge waste of time having to wait those couple of seconds over and over again during the working day.

So the feature is important - for me such slow startup may be a deal breaker for a browser.

So no - browser start is not fast enough for some usage scenarios. Chrome is.

We need this option. Browser uses Chromium code base. So the option seems to be already there, just probably pointlessly disabled.

Ayespy

@VitaleyUsa I think the assumption that if Chrome has something, Chromium must also have it, is flawed. There is a ton of proprietary code in Chrome that is not in Chromium.

Either way, having a Vivaldi process that runs the whole time Windows is open creates a multitude of problems with installs, updates and sometimes extensions. You're essentially asking for a re-design of Vivaldi such that an instance of the .exe can run in the background with no UI, even if the browser has never been opened. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is fraught. It's not trivial. And it's extensive work for the developers in exchange for minimal benefit (or no benefit at all) to most of the Vivaldi user base, small as that base might be.

I'm not saying it could never happen - but it's not like flipping a switch, not trivial, and potentially high cost to Vivaldi for minimal reward. The vast, vast majority of users never restart the browser during the day, or may even leave it open, uninterrupted, for weeks at a time (like I used to). Searching initially, I am unable to find where/how this is built in to Chromium. and could be enabled or disabled.

Catweazle

@Ayespy , I open Vivaldi in the morning and close it in the night.

Zalex108

@Catweazle

You close V?

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Ayespy

@Zalex108 I used to leave it open all the time. some recent updates caused a system freezing problem if left too long unattended, and so now I close it at night as well.

Zalex108

@Ayespy said in "Startup boost" like in ms edge?:

@Zalex108 I used to leave it open all the time. some recent updates caused a system freezing problem if left too long unattended, and so now I close it at night as well.

"I face this as well" when hibernate / suspend, on the wake up, but I have a WiFi problem and don't know if both gets a conflict or it's just the Network.

Restored the system but sometimes gets still freezed.

Previously to March worked fine, hibernating during the whole week.

But to clean a bit, close the Apps, at least in windows, helps.

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Knowing this,

I would try to use an older version and check.

Ayespy

@Zalex108 said in "Startup boost" like in ms edge?:

I would try to use an older version and check.

And oddly, tho I am a tester, I never would.

Catweazle

@Zalex108 , with the system, Off button in my Laptop and Good night.
I don't use hibernate, this service eat half of the RAM, so I have desactivated this service, and also the index service for the same reason, apart with SSD disk is irrelevant.