SRWare Iron: The Browser of the future



  • Hi All, Want to bring the following browser to your attention.Iron of SRWare from germany. SRWare Iron is a real alternative for Google Chrome. The browser is based on the Chromium-source and offers the same features as Chrome - but without the critical points that the privacy concern. It gives the same user experience as Chrome but you don't have to wonder anymore about what Google is doing with your Surf behavior. Please try the Iron browses and share your findings here with us. The following Google Chrome features are not present in Iron: - RLZ identifier, an encoded string sent together with all queries to Google or once every 24 hours. - Google search access on startup for users with Google as default search - A unique ID ("clientID") for identifying the user in logs. - A timestamp of when the browser was installed. - Google-hosted error pages when a server is not present - Google Updater automatic installation. - DNS pre-fetching, because it could potentially be used by spammers - Automatic address bar search suggestions. - Bug tracking system, sends information about crashes or errors. Just try and protect your privacy.



  • Interesting.
    I will probably try (later). :)



  • For those who think Chrome is a good browser Iron may be a good alternative. But Chrome isn´t - so Iron can also not be. Chrome is by far one of the worst things, that could happen to Internet users in the 21st century!

    Too bad that most users do not know and therefore, so to speak: by mistake, make it to such a popular browser.



  • @Ice007:

    For those who think Chrome is a good browser Iron may be a good alternative. But Chrome isn´t - so Iron can also not be. Chrome is by far one of the worst things, that could happen to Internet users in the 21st century!

    Too bad that most users do not know and therefore, so to speak: by mistake, make it to such a popular browser.

    I don't use chrome because I don't use any Google products, I don't trust the company itself.
    I would like to know from you "Chrome is by far one of the worst things, that could happen to Internet users in the 21st century!" why that is so.



  • Google Chrome scores 505 out of 555 points on http://html5test.com/ .
    How are the developer tools in SRWare Iron, are thay by far one of the worst things, that could happen to Internet users in the 21st century?



  • it's a good browser, i've used it. not sure if it has any advantage over the chromium browser however.



  • @leirom:

    Google Chrome scores 505 out of 555 points on http://html5test.com/ .

    IE8 scores badly in those tests but every commercial site makes damn sure that everything important works in IE8, so what?

    All of the Chromium based browsers eat up processing power like crazy so I can hardly run any other processor demanding software while the browser is open with just a few tabs (30 or so), the UI is rigid as hell, I need extensions for things that should be implemented in a native way - some of them are even defined in The W3C Standards since ages - etc. pp.

    Iron shares all those traits.



  • @biggerabalone:

    it's a good browser, i've used it. not sure if it has any advantage over the chromium browser however.

    The advantage is the privacy you win back when using this browser instead of Google version. Google is tracking you when using Chrome. Iron doesn't and like you said it delivers the same result as Chrome.



  • @mdg40:

    The advantage is the privacy you win back when using this browser instead of Google version. Google is tracking you when using Chrome. Iron doesn't and like you said it delivers the same result as Chrome.

    I have been using SRWare Iron for some days now, and “it delivers the same result as Chrome”. The only thing I have noticed so far is that I need two more kicks to use google search.
    How can I know that Iron is not tracking me? :)



  • I remember rejecting that one at the beginning, before even testing it. Can't remember why. Since I rejected it so early on, it was either security issue or interface.



  • Like i already had posted several weeks ago SRWare's Iron probably makes much more sense than Chromopera!

    https://vivaldi.net/forum/browsers/298-reasons-for-using-chromopera-opera-new-instead-of-srware-s-iron-qupzilla-or-chrome-itself-f

    Iron after already several years of development has reached some level of maturity and stability and offers among a lot of other things real bookmarks while Chromopera has reached V.21.x and still offers nothing comparable to real bookmarks! Not to mention lots of other still missing and important (at least to me) features of Opera (old)!

    How am i supposed to store and use my several thousands of bookmarks collected in using Opera ever since V. 2.x up to still 12.16(17) at the moment?



  • @JayL:

    How am i supposed to store and use my several thousands of bookmarks collected in using Opera ever since V. 2.x up to still 12.16(17) at the moment?

    My problem to a tee!!

    But now I am also testing new browsers for a potential replacement… adding new bookmarks here and there, and having to go to Opera to put them there.
    All the while becomming more and more frustrated.



  • greybeard wrote:

    But now I am also testing new browsers for a potential replacement… adding new bookmarks here and there, and having to go to Opera to put them there.
    All the while becomming more and more frustrated.

    :ohmy: OMG! I thought i'd be the only one having to do such "nonsense", i. e. copying links found while testing / using other browsers to my Opera-bookmarks to have them all in one place.

    I had purchased several licences of Opera already in the 90ies and i would have paid for further development of Opera Presto but for some by me up to now still not understood reason those … (censored to be polite) at the Opera management decided to bury the best browser just for fun ...



  • @JayL:

    greybeard wrote:

    But now I am also testing new browsers for a potential replacement… adding new bookmarks here and there, and having to go to Opera to put them there.
    All the while becomming more and more frustrated.

    I had purchased several licences of Opera already in the 90ies and i would have paid for further development of Opera Presto…

    Yes, I too would gladly pay for a tool as useful as the Presto version of Opera.

    As I mentioned many times on the Opera forums, the browser is a "Tool" for many of us. It is more than just an appliance to get to youbook or facetube.



  • I really want a browser that does not track my browsing habits and I do everything I can to slip out of the Google catch-net.

    -What I really would want, is a software window along with the browser (or any online activity) that continuously tells me what connections my PC does to the internet, at any time:
    Showing
    name of program or service connecting - port used - name of server it tries to connect to, cookies that someone attempts to store on my computer - etc. etc. -I guess you get the purpose

    In the old Amiga days there was a utility called Snoopy doing exactly that. You were in full control - altough some of it was not readily understandable. But you had the opportunity to research immediately, or later, based on the continous log it created. Does something like it already exist?

    Or is this kind of untility too hard to make? I appreciate ideas or tips, -anyone?



  • @Perttii:

    I really want a browser that does not track my browsing habits and I do everything I can to slip out of the Google catch-net.

    -What I really would want, is a software window along with the browser (or any online activity) that continuously tells me what connections my PC does to the internet, at any time:
    Showing
    name of program or service connecting - port used - name of server it tries to connect to, cookies that someone attempts to store on my computer - etc. etc. -I guess you get the purpose

    In the old Amiga days there was a utility called Snoopy doing exactly that. You were in full control - altough some of it was not readily understandable. But you had the opportunity to research immediately, or later, based on the continous log it created. Does something like it already exist?

    Or is this kind of untility too hard to make? I appreciate ideas or tips, -anyone?

    There is a plugin for Firefox that does at least some of that. It scares me to death.



  • There is a plugin for Firefox that does at least some of that. It scares me to death.
    ….

    Yes, I use Better Privacy and Do Not Track Me
    -and yes, it's scary to see all the google related url scripting lurking invisible inn the transmissions back and forth, and without our knowledge.

    Another thing I do to stay more anonymous and more away from the Google fishing nets, is to use my email client configured for "text only". All the embedded images are coming from somewhere, usually a different place than the email poster himself: If you allow embedded/active html code in your email client like outlook, you will have your wan IP adress registered on every server delivering graphics and images. Sometimes there even are "single pixel images" that can only serve one prupose: detect when you read (or just preview) the email received. It's truly scary.

    -And as a general rule of life: -If something looks bad, it usually looks even worse when you take a closer look at it.



  • I got spoiled with Opera over the years. I too would pay (again) for them to keep Presto-Opera going if it was done well. But, it's because I dislike the other browsers so much. Who said browsers had to be free?



  • @john.yaya:

    …I too would pay (again) for them to keep Presto-Opera going if it was done well. But, it's because I dislike the other browsers so much. Who said browsers had to be free?

    +1



  • @mdg40:

    The following Google Chrome features are not present in Iron:

    • RLZ identifier, an encoded string sent together with all queries to Google or once every 24 hours.
    • Google search access on startup for users with Google as default search
    • A unique ID ("clientID") for identifying the user in logs.
    • A timestamp of when the browser was installed.
    • Google-hosted error pages when a server is not present
    • Google Updater automatic installation.
    • DNS pre-fetching, because it could potentially be used by spammers
    • Automatic address bar search suggestions.
    • Bug tracking system, sends information about crashes or errors.

    Just try and protect your privacy.

    Are all these topics still a thing in Chrome? Citations please that they are in the code and not simple options that you can turn off.

    I don't want to be against the goals of SWIron but since its beginning it leaves the bad taste of Scareware in my mouth. Reading this list of "goodies" against Chrome shows me that the goal of SWIron is not to clear things up but to ride on the wave of scare and ambiguity.

    What are the advantages of SWIron agains Chromium and Chromium based Opera? Here is the list:

    • RLZ identifier: Customizable in Chrome, not part of Chromium.
    • Google as default: Customizable in Chrome. Also customizable in Chromium, also in Opera.
    • A unique ID ("clientID"): Quotes please? Still present?
    • A timestamp of when the browser was installed: Quotes please?
    • Google-hosted error pages: Customizable. Also customizable in Chromium and Opera.
    • Google Updater: This is real shit and prevents me from using Chrome. google Update as a service and a Firefox browser plugin. Whaaat?
    • DNS pre-fetching: Customizable in Chrome and also in Chromium and Opera.
    • Automatic address bar search suggestions: Customizable in Chrome and Chromium. Opera? Don't know.
    • Bug tracking system, sends information about crashes or errors.

    Timestamp when browser was installed and Google Update Services is the only thing still for discussion.


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