Otter Browser (Opera 12 reloaded)

[Catweazle]

@eggcorn , I don't speak about Palemoon and a few others, that still exists, I speak from projects which a simpe forks without a strong community, this will disappear very fast like others.
In a strong browsermarket, projects with a good developement and significant difference from others are dead born childs like the most in the last years.
It's a harsh world for browsers which are in the last % of the marketshare, single developers and small companies without a good community can't survive, as I say, like a small fruit store next to a hypermarket.
Look on the web, which browsers appear in the comparisons, apart from Chrome, Edge, Safari, Opera, Firefox, Brave and from time to time also Vivaldi (more and more), it is this that sooner or later breaks the nape of others.

[Priest72]

@guigirl What you seem to forget is that otter is an effort by a single person,Your criticism seems rather misplaced if you are comparing otter to the "big brands.".
Maybe self serving complainers should perhaps consider chipping in and helping out.

just a thought.

[Catweazle]

With a market saturated with browsers of all kinds, the only way to be able to deal with the 'big guys' is that instead of each developer pulling their own way by developing a browser that remains unattended in a short time, to create a cooperative among all together to create a worthwhile browser.
All other don't make sense nowadays
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_web_browsers

[jumpsq]

I believe that Emdek was offered a job by Vivaldi years ago. At the time they asked the community for opinions, and at least I advised against taking it, because I thought that a chromium-based browser would never achieve the quality of presto. While this is still true, they should've taken the position in retrospect of course.
Otter is a great attempt to clone O12, but it has been surpassed by Vivaldi in most aspects.

[Catweazle]

@jumpsq , as I said, no matter how good a developer is and no matter how good the ideas are, a browser cannot subsist as an individual project, for this it is too complex and also requires continuous maintenance, even more so if you want to offer the ability to synchronize, with the consequent expense that it entails.
For this reason these browsers are condemned from the beginning to swell the ranks of the more than 70 who have already thrown in the towel.

[jumpsq]

@catweazle I agree, but still otter remains both a great effort and a great project.

[Catweazle]

@jumpsq , I do not doubt this, but it is of little use, if it cannot be maintained over time.
One Man Projects can be very successful, if it is to develop an unheard of and new product, but not a product that already abounds in a saturated market.

[Ayespy]

@jumpsq After Opera 15 appeared (much to my dismay) I began to actively search for a replacement. During that period, I tried PaleMoon, Sleipnir, Comodo IceDragon, Qupzilla, SeaMonkey, Otter and others. Otter was not good enough for me to try to use it as a daily driver. Of all the above, PaleMoon, to its credit, was good enough for me to try to stick with for a little while.

The very first day I tried Vivaldi, 27 Jan 2015, I switched to it. I was able to make myself at home in the UI immediately, unlike any of the others.

So I don't know if I would have characterized Otter as a "great effort," as it has never been good enough for me to use it for more than a few minutes at a time without getting frustrated, but I agree what Emdek has tried to do was, for sure, worth doing - if only it could be done. Within days of adopting Vivaldi, I was thinking, "Emdek should put his efforts behind THIS!" But unfortunately, that was not to be. Oh, well.

[Stardust]

@ayespy said in Otter Browser (Opera 12 reloaded):

During that period, I tried PaleMoon, Sleipnir, Comodo IceDragon, Qupzilla, SeaMonkey, Otter and others.

PaleMoon, Sleipnir, Comodo IceDragon, Qupzilla, SeaMonkey, Otter and others.

@guigirl said in Otter Browser (Opera 12 reloaded):

Which alt-browser would a majority of us have "settled" on, til V?

Firefox in my case

[Stardust]

@guigirl look closely, I mentioned Otter!