which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...
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@guigirl I only asked what evidence you accept that Vivaldi's OK for privacy, because I didn't know what evidence you would accept that Brave's OK for privacy. For reasons Ayespy's already explained (when he thought I was attacking Vivaldi, or something), it would be rather difficult to give evidence that a browser isn't spying on users.
But I think I see at least part of what's happening here (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). You see the Brave ad program as a big red flag. I don't. So you'd really need some strong evidence, to accept that Brave's OK for privacy.
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@guigirl , nothing to do with this. Go to Browserleaks and se what every page you visit know from you. Your privacy depends 99% on your online presence, the means of communication you use, the search engine, the data and metadata that you leave on the way, etc.
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@guigirl said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
For me therefore, Eich & anything he touches, is simply anathema.
Considering that the guy invented JavaScript, that's going to be rather difficult.
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@Eggcorn , Jon invented the first Browser that deserves this name
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@guigirl said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
with uBO/uM i actively restrict JS on all sites i visit to the core functionality only, with all nefarious hidden shyte blocked, & on some sites am still able to achieve minimum acceptable utility with JS totally blocked.
A very good policy! JavaScript has it's uses. But we shouldn't just let any old website run all the JavaScript it wants.
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I'm not an expert in software but I prefer vivaldi, it doesn't force me to update and it doesn't keep looking for updates every hour.
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@j4n497 , true, but still it is highly recommended to keep it updated, for security reasons and also because an outdated browser may have problems when accessing certain web pages.
See https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/55998/google-sites-like-contacts-photos-or-drive-wont-load/1?_=1611866941762 -
@Catweazle I really which the Vivaldi updater would warn the user, that using an outdated browser is a bad idea! And that unless he knows what he's doing, he really should update.
Which for privacy: is a point in Brave's favor here. A security risk is a privacy risk, because insecurity lets spyware in. And it's a security risk to give the user the option of not updating, without clearly warning him of the dangers of not updating.
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@Catweazle I agree that you have to be updated, but ¿look for updates every hour? ¿How do you know that it is not sharing your data? And if I remember correctly, brave does not have an standalone installer to analyze with an ativirus.
I repeat, I am not an expert, maybe I am wrong.
Sorry for my english.
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@j4n497 , not every hour, but check it from time to time once a month or something like that.
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@Catweazle Once a month?
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@Eggcorn Chromium-based updates tend to be released every six weeks, except for betas and "nightlies."
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@Ayespy Keeping up with security patches is so important, I wouldn't my browser checking for updates less then once per day.
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@Eggcorn Vivaldi does not update Stable at all unless a significant security update appears or a minor work-stopper can be fixed. Snapshot updates on the average of once a week (sometimes more or less frequently) including all security updates, and the internal Sopranos version updates about once a day.
On this box, only ONE of my four installs notifies me of every new version. On all the rest of them, I check weekly or monthly, depending on circumstances.
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Yet again this is a Privacy post in the Security section.
@NOTYOURBUBBLE
There are independent tests and comparisons you can refer to regarding Brave.
The Vivaldi or Brave forums are not the best place to ask.Note, both browsers are based on the open source Chromium.
Vivaldi does not offer or market itself as a privacy browser, but offers a power browser for people that want to do more.
It comes from a company that make the browser as private as possible while still being as functional as possible.
Out of the box it is not set for privacy but it is easy to do.When you install Vivaldi a unique key is made for your device and every 24 hours the browser will report some anonymised info back to base so they can count the users.
As far as we know user info is not shared with 3rd parties.
However this does mean that technically the browser is not private.Brave however by default enforces HTTPS, supports TOR, comes with anti-fingerprinting and WebRTC leak protection and is intended to be more private than functional.
In tests Brave fails to be as private as it claims and hopes to be, and the company have made some dubious decisions.https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/best-browsers-for-privacy/#brave
https://nordvpn.com/blog/best-privacy-browser/#head2-9
https://restoreprivacy.com/browser/secure/ -
@Catweazle said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
@j4n497 , not every hour, but check it from time to time once a month or something like that.
I remember that it was every hour according to my firewall and I couldn't find how to deactivate it, so I un-installed it and stayed with Vivaldi and Opera.
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@dshintag said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
I find it very interesting they have not included Vivaldi in their comparison. I wonder why...?
Because Vivaldi has a very low usage share, I would think.
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@Eggcorn Brave browser does not have a significant usage share either.
I would call bias on most of these articles written by single bloggers. -
TOS,DR says
Brave
Vivaldi
Both grade B, but Vivaldi with better condicions
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@priest72 said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
Brave browser does not have a significant usage share either.
Actually, Brave's usage share is far higher then Vivaldi's. But even if it weren't, of course an article from Brave about comparing browsers is going to include Brave! I remind you, the question is:
I find it very interesting they have not included Vivaldi in their comparison. I wonder why...?
I don't see how Brave's usage share is relevant to answering that question.