which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...
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EDIT: someone corrected me in the comments about Mr Eich, the co-Founder of Brave and Mozilla. Based on research I did after that comment, it's very clear that Mr Eich does NOT share Mozilla values so I'd say based on that that the Brave browser looks to be a potentially good choice, along with Vivaldi.
I cannot speak on the security per se as I'm not a security expert, but 95% of Vivaldi is open source. Only the UI is closed source. It also has built in Tracking protection if you enable it along with ad blocking.
To me the fact that it's 95% open source in all the important parts means it's probably as good as it gets on security.
I've not used Brave but I find them highly suspicious. Don't forget that the co-founder of Brave is also the owner of Mozilla.....So same values as Mozilla. I'm sticking with Vivaldi. It's the best out there
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@NOTYOURBUBBLE
I left firefox bc of their policy too.And now I'm glad to have found Vivaldi again. 2 years ago I gave it a first try, and now I made it standard browser!
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Asking this on a vivaldi forum will invoke an overwhelming vivaldi majority..that is to expected.
Brendan Eich the founder of brave also invented javascript so i can assume he is a person of honest intentions.
I can only assume the majority of people on this forum have only used vivaldi as that would explain their presence here.
I do believe a neutral forum would be the best place to ask such a question.All relative to personal choice and both run on the chromium base. -
@NOTYOURBUBBLE Do you use browser extensions? If so, Vivaldi's probably more private. Because with Vivaldi's advanced features and customizability, you won't need so many extensions. And extensions are a threat to privacy! They have this nasty habit of spying on the user.
But if you don't use browser extensions, I'm guessing that Brave is more private. I'm guessing that Brave's ad-blocker is more devolved then Vivaldi's, and I know that Brave can use the Tor network. But also, Brave's big focus is privacy. It's what they're all about. Whereas the Vivaldi team is trying to build a feature-rich and highly-customizable browser. That does include privacy features. But I don't think Vivaldi's all about privacy, the way Brave is.
It took Vivaldi a long time to come out with an ad-blocker, and that's an essential feature if you want to protect your privacy (but to be fair, there were plenty of ad-blocking extensions). Whereas Brave had an ad-blocker (I think) from the first version.
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@guigirl I can't even do that for Vivaldi! Who do you think I am, an expert software analyst?
But frankly, I suspect that the pilloriing & mocking is politically motivated. The founder of Brave (back when he was working for Firefox) make a political donation, that earned him a lot of enemies in the computer world.
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@danielfgom said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
Don't forget that the co-founder of Brave is also the owner of Mozilla.....So same values as Mozilla.
He was fired from Mozilla, or at least, resigned under pressure. So no, his values are not the same as theirs!
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@guigirl Well, I'm trusting that Brave and Vivaldi are being honest. They they don't have some backdoor spying, that they've neglected to tell us about. But can I prove that they're being honest, even to myself? No I can't. I'm not a programmer, I can't look over the code for spyware. For all I know, Vivaldi could be spying on my right now as I type this post, and sending my bookmarks to some server in America.
So, I admit I can't prove that either browser is genuinely OK for user privacy. Beyond that, I'm really not clear on what it is you want from me. So, how about you give your objective evidence that Vivaldi is genuinely OK for user privacy first?
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@Eggcorn What sort of evidence would you understand and accept? After all, we have no access to the web connections and queries on your machine, so how would those from my machine inform you? Would you understand them?
As a rule, it is incumbent upon the person claiming a defect, loss or harm that they prove their case - in other words, to show us how and where this or that browser is breaching your privacy. Other than that, all Vivaldi can say is, "we don't do it."
"Well, I think maybe you do."
"OK. Where is your evidence that this might be the case? If you have what you feel may be a suspicious connection, Vivaldi will be happy explain what it is, and what it's doing."
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@Ayespy said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
What sort of evidence would you understand and accept?
That's what I'm asking guigirl! I think you're missing the context of the conversation here. To be clear: I'm not accusing the Vivadi team of anything, or asking them to prove anything to me.
Edit: guigirl asked me for evidence that Brave is "genuinely OK for user privacy". I don't know what evidence she would accept. So, I'm asking her to give me her evidence for Vivaldi.
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@Eggcorn Ok their for the correction. I've done some quick research based on your reply and you're right, he seems to finely not share Mozilla values.
So that's great. In which case Brave is definitely a good option, seemingly.
However I'll stick with Vivaldi since I'm really happy with it and the team do a great job.
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@Eggcorn It is inapposite to request evidence of a nullity. You can't prove what isn't. You can only prove what is. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The appropriate investigation would be of connections or data transmission which might VIOLATE privacy, not those which don't.
As a cop, you can't stop someone one the street and ask, "Did your spouse commit a crime?"
"I'm not aware of any evidence that he/she did."
"Prove it."
It doesn't work that way.
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I think that Vivaldi and Brave are pretty equivalent in privacy questions. Both include all what a Chromium Browser can offer in this point.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle Well, yes, but Vivaldi does not have to know who you are, and Brave does, if they are to "pay" you for approving of certain advertising on their platform.
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Middle of the night. Here. 'Night all.
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@Ayespy , yes, that is a diference, but the problem of Brave is other and the reason why I don`t trust it.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle Ewwww, Krap.
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@Ayespy said in which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...:
It is inapposite to request evidence of a nullity.
Okay, when did I say it was appropriate?
Me: I think Brave and Vivaldi are both good for privacy, in different ways.
guigirl: Show objective evidence that Brave is OK for privacy.
Me: Not clear on what it is you want from me. So you first. Show objective evidence that Vivaldi is OK for privacy.
You: What would you accept as objective evidence that Vivaldi is OK for privacy?
Me: Don't ask me, ask guigirl.
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@guigirl , there is no 100% privacy on the web and no browser can claim to have it, it can only offer more or less accurate approaches.
The weakest link is always the user himself and his online behavior.
I am even able to block any trace with different tools, but at the price of breaking half the pages I visit. It is always a compromise and the only possibility to limit yourself to using decentralized networks out of the eyes of Gargle & cia -
@guigirl I only asked what evidence you accept that Vivaldi's OK for privacy, because I didn't know what evidence you would accept that Brave's OK for privacy. For reasons Ayespy's already explained (when he thought I was attacking Vivaldi, or something), it would be rather difficult to give evidence that a browser isn't spying on users.
But I think I see at least part of what's happening here (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). You see the Brave ad program as a big red flag. I don't. So you'd really need some strong evidence, to accept that Brave's OK for privacy.
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@guigirl , nothing to do with this. Go to Browserleaks and se what every page you visit know from you. Your privacy depends 99% on your online presence, the means of communication you use, the search engine, the data and metadata that you leave on the way, etc.
