Why do these words even exist?

Steffie

Ah, so now it seems my careful generalist tightrope balancing behind a drawn curtain, was unnecessarily obfuscatory...

:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:

Catweazle

@Steffie , I do not think that the Inca telluric hermeneutics overturns the anotretic peripatetic of Aristotelian philosophy by the factual iniquity of non-dogmatic Socratic dialogues.

Steffie

@Catweazle

sgunhouse

@Ayespy Technically speaking, the actual vote has already been cast. Hence there is already in fact a winner, even if we do not know which one it is. It could be Biden - I believe it is - but they could not actually say so at that time.

Ayespy

@sgunhouse As it happens, Biden has now been declared president-elect.

But the failure to use the conditional case "I MAY have" versus the declarative case "I HAVE" means that the speaker is declaring as true, something which at that moment in time cannot be true, and hence lying. In democracy, the state of the game is reliant on the counting of votes, not their casting. In the instant case, Biden is relying on the count being accepted, while, to this moment, Trump is relying on invalidating the count. The casting is not the determinative factor. The count is. Just ask Putin.

Zalex108

Hi,
Related to the OffTopic.

There are many reports related to a Fraud on the Mailing Votes.

Actually it's a Scandal.
Ask by PM if any interested.

Pathduck

@Zalex108 ~~As a moderator you should know better than posting links to far-right sites known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.~~

Links removed

Ayespy

@Zalex108 Not so much. A manufactured scandal, yes. An actual scandal, no. If the voting and counting structure of the various states is actually understood, it is also clear that the "counted" vote is so close in reality to the "legally cast" vote as to actually make no difference.

What the United States has experienced in this election cycle is the highest turnout of registered voters in about 100 years. As a result, the winning candidate has received more votes than any person running for elected office in the nation, ever. Further, there is a popular-vote margin of over four million votes which, as the count completes over the next few weeks, will only grow. The "scandal" being promoted is one purely for the use of the electoral opposition, to question the legitimacy of future legislative efforts.

It has been the case for decades that the United States Electoral College is able to elect a winner supported by a minority of the citizens. It has done so more than once. Further, the structure of the Unites States Senate is such that a minority of the country is capable of controlling legislative policy (as is the case at present). It may be argued that the opinion of the minority is more virtuous, more moral than that of the majority, but it cannot be argued that the United States, the "beacon" of democracy to the world, is a democracy.

Zalex108

@Pathduck said in Why do these words even exist?:

@Zalex108 As a moderator you should know better than posting links to far-right sites known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

"The problem here is:"

Who determines what is Hoax and what is Leggit?

Event 201

Zalex108

@Ayespy

The Spanish Fraud is unknown for most of the citizen.

LonM

@Zalex108 what does "event 201" have to do with the current topic? This whole thread seems to be veering of course a lot, maybe it's best not to introduce new stuff into the mix

Zalex108

@LonM said in Why do these words even exist?:

@Zalex108 what does "event 201" have to do with the current topic? This whole thread seems to be veering of course a lot, maybe it's best not to introduce new stuff into the mix

Hi,

Was just for those interested and about the "Conspiracy" meaning as fundamented documentation exposing:

@Ayespy said in Why do these words even exist?:

@Steffie So, perhaps I can help.

Lies are untruths with intent. Not merely untrue, but meant to be untrue for the purpose of deception.

Misinformation is a system of lies, with or without intent.

Disinformation is a system of lies with the intent of molding opinion, and with the further intent that the opinions formed by the recipient will be actively harmful to the recipient. It's an intelligence term.

Untruth is something that is not true, with or without intent. A person may state an untruth, believing it to be true, in which case the intent to lie is absent.

When, as in the case of a certain chief executive of a certain "democratic" nation, statements are knowingly untrue and intended to weaken opposition, they are both lies and disinformation.

All this,
Pushes the persecution and prosecution of those who reveal the truth.

Zalex108

@Pathduck said in Why do these words even exist?:

@Zalex108 As a moderator you should know better than posting links to far-right sites known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

Just edited,

If any interested, ask it.

Ayespy

@Zalex108 Persons who witness the facts on the ground. That is who we rely on to count the vote. And due to the nature of our systems, it cannot, actually cannot, be falsified.

Steffie

Hahahaha hohohohohoh heeheeheeheeheeheehee

Orange Is The New....

No wait, not that, instead it's...

LOSER.

Hahahaha hohohohohoh heeheeheeheeheeheehee

So much for lies. Yay for justice.

Zalex108

@Ayespy said in Why do these words even exist?:

@Zalex108 Persons who witness the facts on the ground. That is who we rely on to count the vote. And due to the nature of our systems, it cannot, actually cannot, be falsified.

There are complains about those fraudulent votes, but it seems that Official ones has a Watermark that are nonexistent on the others.

We'll see.

There's a video about Bi, but I don't know his voice to assure.
I can PM and check by yourself.

kahukura

@Steffie I have big faith in anything Oceania, a bit in anything else but much in truth. Justice will have to follow. Mr. President, tear down these "Barrs".

Ayespy

@kahukura said in Why do these words even exist?:

tear down these "Barrs".

OK, now that's funny.

BoneTone

@Zalex108 said in Why do these words even exist?:

There's a video

Stay Woke

This is a fairly old video, the technology has advanced beyond even these capabilities.

Steffie

I feel so powerfully sad, so powerfully ~~powerfully sad~~ POWERFULLY SAD, probably the most powerfully beautifully sad in the world & all history -- in 73 days i have to find a new !=adverb to replace the beautiful winner powerfully beautiful bigly. So sad it's .... .... covfefe !!!!! Rudi? Where's Rudi? Come on up here, RUN.