Who uses bookmarks anyway?
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If you are going to search through your bookmarks why not skip them in the first pace and just search the web each time?
This is exactly what i usually do, but I save some pages that are very meaningful to me for their topic, this is why I love TAGs
And this was part of the brilliance of Stash which hopefully will make a re-appearance. We currently use a program called Reading List (MS Store). Search engines today provide the most relevant and quickest means of finding the best answers as opposed to archived material on older, bookmarked sites.
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… but I don't usually store things to forget them...
That's silly. Obviously we know we want to retrieve the information at some point in the future. But at the time we just want to forget about being forced to keep it's name or nickname in our active memory. If you can remember the name of everything you put in a vault with it's only access being a search box you are obviously smarter than the majority of humanity. Or you have very few things you are storing in the vault.
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… but I don't usually store things to forget them...
That's silly
That silly part was a quip, in my intention.
Everything else was serious (and I'm glad you accepted it).
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No one should need more than a few dozen bookmarks
No.
No one should tell me what I need and what I don't need. And, what's more important, no one should build their software in a way that prevents it from being flexible.
Old Opera and (to some extent) Vivaldi are just that - flexible. You need two bookmarks? Go ahead, have them. You need 2000? Also, no problem.
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I have bookmarks going back to Opera 2. Many are to research sites on EDU university sites and are still applicable today.
I use speed dial a lot, but after filling a couple screens full, I can't decide what should go on the speed dial and it has become a visual mess. (so I haven't even setup Vivaldi with speed dials yet)One thing I find myself using more and more is searching bookmarks and also using auto complete in address bar to search bookmarks.
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We all use bookmarks in our own way, of course, which is why bookmarks should lend itself to a broad array of use cases.
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I use speed dial a lot, but after filling a couple screens full, I can't decide what should go on the speed dial and it has become a visual mess.
That's why the SD folders, in Opium, are more than welcome. I hope folders will land in vivaldi too, and I hope in more than one nesting level
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Vivaldi has nestable folders in speed dial. Boom.
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Vivaldi has nestable folders in speed dial. Boom.
I know.
I mean easily manageable nested folders. For now I don't mind to arrange them other than the first level.
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Ah.
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Absolutely, actually I have to admit that Opera's study is flawed when they think people do not use bookmarks anymore.
For me it was exactly the opposite. When I first started decades ago using the Internet I never used bookmarks. Then I started to use some, but it was a mess. Then I switched browsers, started with bookmarks again. The reason why some people don't use bookmarks anymore in some browsers is not because they don't like bookmarks. No! Its because bookmarks management sucks in those new browsers. No nested folders, and no way to organize them correctly when you have a lot of them.
Does that mean users don't want bookmarks anymore? No, they moved to things which can manage bookmarks better. We all know services like Xmarks and how popular they are, there are so many bookmarks services and plugins, and all of them see to have some success. So yes, people do use bookmarks, but because some of these services provide better management vs standard browsers they moved to those services. Actually things like Read it Later or Pocket are nothing more than glorified bookmarks. In the past people send temporary websites they wished to read later to their bookmarks.
I find it very sad that browsers started to offer such horrible features to manage information. The logical way where bookmarks should be and have to be is of course in your browser, a click away, not in some remote service or another software. Bookmarks in a browser make sense.
Google is partially to blame for this. They offered awful bookmark features with Chrome but we know why. They want google.com to be the place where people find websites, not bookmarks. Its their intention to bring users to their search services, not let them manage data on their own browsers. It would not surprise me if Google removed that feature all together as they want everything to live in their cloud. (read here their cloud, not the clouds).
So, yes, absolutely. People still use bookmarks. I use the speedial for those things that I need to access every single day or several times every hour. Consider speedial like the most important bookmarks you need to access. This are very visible and big so you can almost click them while sleeping.
But then I have several things I need to access which probably cannot even remember. Example are internal websites which are composed by IP's like try to remember http://192.11.358.25/control/url/admin-site-4
Yeah that is right, try to remember 100 like those urls and good luck because you cannot search them on Google either. With a correct bookmark manager, you can put them in folders and organize things into context. Then I can click on a folder and open all of them at once, without having to type or remember anything.
Then there is needs like hobbies, I do gardening, mostly vegetables and there are some very nice websites about all type of plants I want to keep information. I then have them sorted by plant names, and other categories. Some are videos, some are blogs, some are videos, but they are all related to one context.
I think the more people use the Internet and more they have the need to actually use bookmarks, this is why it was a shocker for power users to see them gone in the new Opera. If you are the average dummy guy, all you visit is Facebook and you probably think Google is the Internet, but as with every thing, they grow, and eventually they have bigger needs. Just see how the kids today use iPads and computers, kids are power users of the future. Lets see how this kids use the Internet in 10 years, they are all powers users when they become adults already. And more and more people are using things related to websites, for their daily needs, so more people will need a way to organize all those nice websites they use and visit.
The only thing which I could really use is to have the same data in my phone, on the go, be able to push a link to my browser or from the browser to the phone. I know Vivaldi will probably not have a mobile version anytime if ever at all, but there are great mobile browsers already, example in Android there is Dolphin and they have probably the best sync feature right now. All other browsers sync only to their own mobile version alone so I think this is a great way for Vivaldi to be more open. Maybe you can partner with them or let users actually decide to which mobile browsers they want to sync.
I was using Opera in my phone but lately even the Opera for phones, which always a market leader is completely falling behind, it seems Dolphin is the new Opera in mobile (talking about features and innovation) and Opera Mobile is actually following the same path their desktop version is following. I don't see anymore people using Opera in their phones, they are using Chrome in Android or the stock browser, the reason is Opera is just the same of more, nothing special. In the past Opera Mobile was the best, and I mean it killed every other mobile browser. I remember even back as Windows Mobile Opera was the only one displaying websites better than the rest until the iPhone came of course. Safari was the first thing I saw on phones displaying and rendering full desktop websites and I was shocked you could browse the Internet on such a little device. That was innovation !!!
If someone builds a great browser with great features, it will create a market all by its own. Saying we don't need bookmarks is like saying we don't need a contact list on our phones or we don't need a calendar or agenda. Tons of websites is not something anyone will remember, so we need a way to organize them in some database, and that only places it makes sense is the browser a click a way.
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Safari was the first thing I saw on phones displaying and rendering full desktop websites and I was shocked you could browse the Internet on such a little device. That was innovation !!!
Actually it was Opera on the p800 the first browser to render a desktop version of a website on a proper smarphone.
And was FIVE years before the iphone release.
Those were innovations (both the first real smarphone an the browser).
Then we cannot forget Opera Mini. That was not innovation that was a REVOLUTION, altough the idea itself was not new (some crappy compressed browsers were available on PalmOS before the opera Mini arrival) operamini was the first practical browser usable on almost any phone. Even if underpowered, even if old, even if tiny.
I remember when once my P800 ran out of battery (was 2003 or so) an d I used the Siemens SL55 of my mom to book a train, while traveling in another train, thanks to Operamini
For younger people who haven seen it, the SL55 was a minuscule phone (one of the smallest ever) with a stamp sized display and a GPRS connection.
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That reminds me of my phone the Xperia Mini Pro.
The smallest Android phone in the world.
I actually purchased two of them, since I wanted a phone that was small to carry around.
Since Sony never upgraded it I rooted with Cyanogen, it was terrible laggy and slow with Android 4 but it worked. This phone was so nice in size, credit card size and had a physical keyboard too. Eventually I had to buy a new phone because it came with terrible small space and I was not able to install anything on it, the phone hardware was also very weak. I actually like my big screen now, its comfortable but somehow your picture made me miss that small phone.
Sadly, today there are no small phones anymore. I purchased the smallest I could find but still powerful, which is the Xperia Z Compact and its not that small either.
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That reminds me of my phone the Xperia Mini Pro.
The smallest Android phone in the world.
I actually purchased two of them, since I wanted a phone that was small to carry around.
Well, while I believe the photo I linked doesn't tell all the truth about how small was the SL55 (see the image in scale), I agree with you the Xperia MINI Pro was (and still is) an amazing smartphone, I sold it just because someone paid me for that phone more than the double of what I paid it
Since Sony never upgraded it I rooted with Cyanogen, it was terrible laggy and slow with Android 4, Cyanogen was the best choice for that "small" phone but you must use the 7.2 version. The Gingerbread based one.
Fast, light, customizzable and free of the post-gingerbread idiocies, with small additions, like the Stock sonyericsson keyboard, the phone was just perfect.
Sadly, today there are no small phones anymore. I purchased the smallest I could find but still powerful, which is the Xperia Z Compact and its not that small either.
ATM I'm using a Droid 4 and his younger and updated brother Photon Q, although the latter has a way crisper screen, more features, more CPU power and so on, I consider its 4.3" display not as small as I wish, the 4 inch sized one from Droid 4 is way better.
Anything bigger is not for me. Because of this and because the incredible keyboard of both of them, I bought two of each, like you did with the Xperia.
I can't see nothing better now and in the foreseeable future.
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Using Bookmarks and Speed Dial.
Is the poll closed? I can't seem to find how to vote…
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The question is who doesn't use them? Personally I have a few thousands of bookmarks, I use speed dial too, plus pocket for temporary things. Can not imagine a browser without them.
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Both, Speeddial and Dropdown it organizes thing better. If I had to give up one it would be speedial with good bookmarks as 12.16 Opera had you really don't need it.
I think LOTS do, just as directory file structure it organizes things better. Just these idiot punk kids that don't know anything just punch buttons ( like my smartphone is going to REPLACE my desktop) and haven't used them.
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I am the most intense user of bookmarks on the internet. I have a precisely designed directory structure for them that often goes four directories deep. I also make huge use of the Speed Dial, and currently have mine set up in three major divisions - Entertainment, Applications, and Social Networks.
So yes. VERY YES.
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So, let's see. How many unique web page URLs already exist and/or no longer exist? Trillions??? Quadrillions??? More???
I have no idea. But I have thousands of bookmarks (and if I could ever get all of my bookmarks from many browsers on old machines no longer in use, I'm sure I would have in the tens of thousands). And yet that is but a thimble or cup full in the ocean of URLs.
So do use/need bookmarks? H3ll yes!!! If I find any page (a drop in the ocean) to which I have any thought that I even might want to return, I want to be able to bookmark it! For probably half of my bookmarks I would never find the site again without the bookmarks (or else spend an exorbitant and unacceptable amount of time trying to re-find them). And maybe half of those I would't even recall that the site existed without the bookmarks.
Then there are the bookmarks to sites that have moved or are now defunct. But with my bookmarks, I at least have an old URL to enter the the Wayback Machine and can usually find an archived copy of what I'm looking for.
And unlike some users' remarks here, I can't possibly keep up with organizing all those bookmarks. But Olde Opera's ability to filter the bookmarks view from the Find textbox basically does away with the need to organize them. (Of course, I make some organizational efforts for the most important ones, but anything beyond that is hopeless.)
It looks like Vivaldi intends a similar Find functionality, but so far (IME) it is pretty sluggish and erratic with just a few dozen bookmarks. Like many other features, I imagine the developers will eventually improve that.
So do I use/need bookmarks? Absolutely!!! And I need a simple, effective way to organize and edit them (even though I can't keep up with that as much as I'd like), and a simple way to back them up.
Now, not that I'm looking to Vivaldi for this, but on my wishlist would be a "universal" cross-browser bookmarks synchronizer and manager with easy manual 2-way control over which bookmarks to keep/delete/modify. It could be in the cloud, but it needs to easily allow keeping a local copy of the bookmarks on each machine. The sync cannot be automatic (like Olde Opera's sync was), because I don't trust, and frankly don't understand, how any software can automatically determine which bookmarks I want to keep/delete/modify when resolving discrepancies between 2 or more individual instances of the bookmarks DB. (Numerous were the complaints in the MyOpera forums of unwanted bookmark changes or even complete bookmarks DB deletions.)
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Hear, hear! People who do research over time and need to organize results into taxonomies (i.e., outlines) and to cross-reference bookmarks and bookmark folders. Alternatives, e.g., evernote, are a poor fit for many reasons (not lightweight enough; data mining issues; cost).
I understand that Opera deprecated bookmarks because supposedly a small percentage of users use them. Generational differences aside, I'd guesstimate that at least 100 million people - from boomers to millennials - are knowledge workers who would benefit from a robust Opera 12.17 style bookmark feature. If 10% bought a $20 version of Vivaldi w/ robust, private, permanent bookmarking that would be $200 million! More than enough to subsidize Vivaldi
Please see my posts at "Why not subsidize Vivaldi browser w/ Standalone Pro BkMrk. Mgr.?" and "Thank YOU! Now if you could catch us up to Opera 12 :)". Viva los bookmarkos!!