People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article
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@gwen-dragon said in People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article:
inject Ads as text on Images
LOL?...
The crazy thing is that Google controlling majority of web searches wants to dictate standards that are suitable for them by threatening people that their website will become unreachable for part of society...
Search engines from unbiased machines are turing into reality filters...
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More about how AMP could be related to new Chrome feature that hides part of URL: https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/amp-urls/
Interesting stuff found on Reddit:
From a HackerNews comment from sometime back:
if you block
ampproject.org
by default -- directly or by blocking 3rd-party javascript by default, -- you will be "punished" with a 8-second delay before the page becomes visible.This is an entirely artificial delay, implemented through an inlined style CSS animation in AMP-based pages:
animation:-amp-start 8s steps(1,end) 0s 1 normal both}
@keyframes -amp-start{from{visibility:hidden}to{visibility:visible}}
I can't see any good reason for such delay. If you are not aware of this 8s delay, you might be misled into thinking the page is broken and that
ampproject.org
is really needed, while the page renders just fine without it, except for the delay.Example: https://ampbyexample.com/
[...]
I should have included this in my first comment: this is a requirement from AMP to include the animation[1]:
AMP HTML documents must contain the following boilerplate in their head tag. [...]
<style amp-boilerplate>body{-webkit-animation: ...
[1] https://www.ampproject.org/docs/fundamentals/spec/amp-boilerplate
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Amp has some good ideas behind it. These events seem to indicate some good steps forward for adoption of technology in a more open manner: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/bing-starts-serving-amp-pages-as-google-prepares-to-reduce-its-control/
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There have also recently (within the past week or so) been articles on Ars Technica and The Register.
Both are highly critical. Basically google telling web developers they don't know what they are doing as pages must be formatted their way to be visible on google search.Yet another reason to drop google search from your list of search engines.
Also implied that Bing is also a big supporter... as well as some others.[EDIT] TODAY on Ars.https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/bing-starts-serving-amp-pages-as-google-prepares-to-reduce-its-control/
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@greybeard said in People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article:
Basically google telling web developers they don't know what they are doing
Web developers don't know what they're doing. Too many webpages are bloated, dysfunctional, use a ridiculous amount of CPU, or all of the above.
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@Eggcorn said in People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article:
@greybeard said in People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article:
Basically google telling web developers they don't know what they are doing
Web developers don't know what they're doing.
and generalization is ALWAYS bad
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@Gwen-Dragon said in People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article:
I would never use AMP because i want my own control over my websites.
Are you talking about hosting your content on AMP servers (such as cdn.ampproject.org)? Or are you talking about the AMP standards for designing web-pages?
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Yes, but don't you think as a user you would appreciate the accelerated loading speed of mobile pages.
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@gwen-dragon I'm using the term "standard" generically. I don't claim that AMP is an official web standard, as defined by the W3C (or whoever defines this stuff).
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@gwen-dragon As I understand it, the W3C gives standards for programmers. To program your website, in a way that standers-complaint browsers will understand. And that's a good thing, it keeps websites working right across all standards-complaint browsers (remember the bad old days of sites that would only work right on IE?).
But formatting, that's another matter. Correct me if I'm wrong. But the W3C doesn't care how your website is formatted, how it looks on the screen (for example, they don't care if the site's navigation bar is on the top or the left). They only care that the underlying code is standards-complaint.
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@gwen-dragon So, they dabble in formatting standards? But two sites could be W3C standards-compliant, and yet have vastly different formatting? Nothing like the uniformity of AMP?
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@gwen-dragon I don't know what WAP is. But even if I did, I get the impassion that that wouldn't answer my question. I didn't ask if you like AMP, and I didn't ask if you think AMP will last. I asked:
Two sites could be W3C standards-compliant, and yet have vastly different formatting? Nothing like the uniformity of AMP?
And there's a reason I'm asking, I'm going somewhere with this.
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@eggcorn said in People are not happy with Google forcing Accelerated Mobile Pages - article:
Two sites could be W3C standards-compliant, and yet have vastly different formatting? Nothing like the uniformity of AMP?
Yes. W3C means, you cannot add some cool non-standard feature (like a Bitcoin API) to Vivaldi, because websites should work in all browsers. Sometimes, Google likes to ignore this.
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@gwen-dragon AMP may not be good, but I think it is standards compliant. Custom HTML tags are allowed as long as they contain a dash.
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