Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?

[paaljoachim]

Thank you for the feedback @WildEnte

O well. I am hoping that labels/folders could be created for each email account then filtering sorting messages to the various folders/labels. Perhaps down the road sometime...

[WildEnte]

@paaljoachim you can apply labels by filtering for specific accounts, just try it out.

[yojimbo274064400]

Whilst the current label functionality is usable some forethought is required because label management beyond creation is non-existent between client and server. For example:

Step	Email client	IMAP server
1	Assign new test label to message	Adds $labelvivtest to list of labels and assigns to message
2	Delete test label	List of labels remains unchanged and assignment removed from all messages
3	Assign new Test label to message	Addition of $labelvivTest to list of labels fails because they are case insensitive and existing label $labelvivtest is matched and assigned to message instead

[Durtro]

@yojimbo274064400 yep. Worst is that it affected some time ago default labels, at least when using different vivaldi instances on both windows and linux. As such I've some weird annoying duplicates:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/97799/bug-vivaldi-s-email-client-enumerates-labels-created-by-other-clients/9

I simpy gave up on fixing it and mostly ignore the problem an try to not be annoyed by it.

[WildEnte]

@Durtro @yojimbo274064400 this is a very complicated way to say "labels are not case sensitive. If you want to name a label 'CamelCase', make sure not to name it 'camelcase' the first time, because it cant be fixed later."

[Durtro]

@WildEnte it is more a way of saying why can't labels be deleted server wise?

In my case specifically I didn't created them since they were vivaldi own default labels so it was a problem created by vivaldi itself, unless someone says that I'm supposed to use one e-mail account only on one vivaldi instance and maybe that I'm not supposed to use vivaldi snapshots at all since they can mess my e-mail account labels forever.

It should be noted that I don't know if the problem originated on snapshot or stable vivaldi or whatever... I only know that the problem was created by using only vivaldi default labels to do what they are supposed to do, to label e-mails.

P.S. At most I'm guilty of hijacking the thread since there are other threads with the problem and this thread itself is not about that specific problem.

[WildEnte]

@Durtro I didn't want to say that there's no issue here. There is, and it should be fixed.

[edwardp]

I posted here, a link to the current Outlook (.com) IMAP and SMTP settings. I was not able to locate similar settings for Hotmail or Live accounts, so I do not know if the same settings also apply.

There was a change made some months back, where the regular account password no longer worked for Outlook accounts, at least when using a third-party client. OAuth then became required, when accessing the accounts using Vivaldi Mail.

[yojimbo274064400]

@WildEnte said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:

@Durtro @yojimbo274064400 this is a very complicated way to say "labels are not case sensitive. If you want to name a label 'CamelCase', make sure not to name it 'camelcase' the first time, because it cant be fixed later."

Fair point; it was detailed to illustrate the irreversibly of that issue.

I do believe that with time Vivaldi will resolve this issue without having to rely on the server clearing deleted / unused labels ; likely in the same way that well established labels are currently handled by mapping user definable text to reference label, i.e. Important on client maps to label1 on IMAP server.

Hopefully being aware of such issues will allow @paaljoachim to make the best use of Vivaldi as it is today.

[paaljoachim]

Thank you for the feedback everyone. I need some time going through this.
As I am gradually learning how to use Vivaldi + mail.

Thank you again!

[paaljoachim]

Another thing.
I assume that Vivaldi mail can only be checked on the computer that that I created it on. There is no way to add it to a mobile phone because Vivaldi mail is the browser on the computer that it was originally created on. Is this correct?

[edwardp]

@paaljoachim If you use an e-mail mobile app (I use FairEmail on Android.), you can add your Vivaldi (.net) e-mail account to it.

Use the same server settings used in the Vivaldi Mail client on desktop. If you are using OAuth to access your mail (via IMAP) on desktop, you should be able to use OAuth as well, on mobile.

[luetage]

@paaljoachim There are mail servers you create an account on and there are mail clients—apps which are dedicated to managing your accounts. As long as you don’t comprehend the difference you shouldn’t rush into organizing your email.

It’s a bad idea to divert/move mail from one server to another, unless you are switching one of your chosen servers out with a replacement. Each email account should serve a different purpose, your client combines them for easy viewing/management.

Which client you use doesn’t matter. In case you run a Vivaldi desktop browser on the device, this could be the inbuilt client. In case of a mobile device the FairEmail client is great. But clients are interchangeable and you can use different ones as you see fit.

[paaljoachim]

@luetage @edwardp

Thank you.

Shockhosting is my web host as well as where the mail server resides.
This makes the Vivaldi mail ( So that is the .net???) the mail client.

That makes the Vivaldi browser with the Vivaldi mail I use here on my Macbook Pro the client.

What Edward speaks about as I understand it is that I can use FairEmail on Android as another mail client. If I use multiple clients they should all be be updated with the inbox and sent emails when one of them is in use. Is that correct? So that it really does not matter which client I use to check my email. Currently on my Android phone I go to outlook.com to check my hotmail. So to check my email I would have to use FairEmail and not Vivaldi to check my emails on my Phone. Basically just add the IMAP accounts to the new client similar to how I have added the IMAP accounts to Vivaldi.

I really would have liked to in a sense login to my Vivaldi mail on multiple Vivaldi browser to gain access to it, but that is not something Vivaldi does but the online version which seems a lot more limited and looks really like themed Round Cube.

[luetage]

@paaljoachim You are still confusing Vivaldi webmail (the server your Vivaldi account has email access to) with the Vivaldi mail client in the browser.

So far you talked about three accounts: Vivaldi webmail (this is an account, not a client), hotmail (account, not client), and the mail server on shockihosting (no idea about it, but that’s a server, not a client).

Connect all three of these accounts with your Vivaldi browser as client (not with webmail.vivaldi.net, that’s one of your servers, not a client).

After reading this the following quote should no longer make any sense to you:

I really would have liked to in a sense login to my Vivaldi mail on multiple Vivaldi browser to gain access to it, but that is not something Vivaldi does but the online version which seems a lot more limited and looks really like themed Round Cube.

[edwardp]

@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:

@luetage @edwardp

Thank you.

Shockihosting is my web host as well as where the mail server resides.
This makes the Vivaldi mail ( So that is the .net???) the mail client.

No. The Vivaldi Mail client in the browser, is separate from Vivaldi Webmail.

That makes the Vivaldi browser with the Vivaldi mail I use here on my Macbook Pro the client.

Yes, Vivaldi Mail is a mail client.

What Edward speaks about as I understand it is that I can use FairEmail on Android as another mail client. If I use multiple clients they should all be be updated with the inbox and sent emails when one of them is in use. Is that correct? So that it really does not matter which client I use to check my email. Currently on my Android phone I go to outlook.com to check my hotmail. So to check my email I would have to use FairEmail and not Vivaldi to check my emails on my Phone. Basically just add the IMAP accounts to the new client similar to how I have added the IMAP accounts to Vivaldi.

Correct. You can access the same accounts you use with the Vivaldi Mail client, on your phone with FairEmail, or another reputable e-mail app.

I really would have liked to in a sense login to my Vivaldi mail on multiple Vivaldi browser to gain access to it, but that is not something Vivaldi does but the online version which seems a lot more limited and looks really like themed Round Cube.

Once your Vivaldi Reputation level is high enough that it unlocks access to Vivaldi Webmail, you can then use the Vivaldi Mail client and a mobile e-mail app to access that as well. Once logged in, go to this page. If you see a Webmail link on the right side of the page when scrolling, you have access.

[edwardp]

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[paaljoachim]

Thank you very much @luetage and @edwardp

I am gradually wrapping my mind around this.

So....
It is really confusing having two different Vivaldi email type of accounts.
One for Vivaldi mail client through one browser on ones own computer.
Then Vivaldi Webmail. I have access to Vivaldi Webmail but I only see a vivaldi email address that I can use. I assume that when my reputation level is high enough that I will be able to add additional identities/external IMAP accounts.

I might in an every day language say that there are two flavors of Vivaldi mail. One that resides on your own computer and one gets access through the Vivaldi browser on your desktop/laptop Linux, OSX or Windows computer.
The other which is a bit harder to gain access to because of too many spammers have hit Vivaldo so that it takes a while to really gain enough trust/reputation to be allowed to have a fully working Vivaldi Webmail which one can also check additional email accounts one might have. I need to understand this as I also plan to create a beginner kind of video tutorial.

There is more but that is what I remember right now.
Thank you again!

[Ayespy]

@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:

I assume that when my reputation level is high enough that I will be able to add additional identities/external IMAP accounts.

Nope. Vivaldi webmail is a simple, no-frills webmail account under your username with 5GB storage, nothing more. It does not entertain additional identities or external accounts. In order to add more identities for Vivaldi Webmail, one would actually have to sign up for additional user accounts in the Vivaldi community, each with its own username, and each with its own need to build reputation to have access to webmail.

Vivaldi Mail built in to the browser is a full-featured email client, which can retrieve, view, store and send emails for any email account which you own.

Webmail is like a car. The mail client is like a road and a garage for all your cars.

[paaljoachim]

@Ayespy

Thank is a very good explanation!

Here I thought that I would be able to have a car trailer with multiple cars.
This actually means that the Vivaldi webmail is not interesting to me as I do not need another email address but need to gain access to the mail accounts / cars I already have.

As I am gradually coming to understand it. The Vivaldi mail client built into the browser can be used only in the one specific browser on the computer the browser is used in. If I need to check my emails another place such as on another computer or my phone then I would have to use another client.