Go Button



  • To who this may concern. As much as I like chrome I didn't like the fact that they begin to pull out good features without having an option to get them back. [b]Does Vivaldi have a Go button option?[/b] If not, can it? So far I like the browser I am glad to have my side bar return!



  • The Go button is a useless and obsolete feature I certainly hope they'll never bring back! Pressing Enter is much more convenient, not to mention easier.



  • @rado84:

    The Go button is a useless and obsolete feature I certainly hope they'll never bring back! Pressing Enter is much more convenient, not to mention easier.

    The GO button is absolutely needed, I can't believe it was removed almost everywhere.

    And the availability of the Enter button isn't actually an argument.

    Back to the OP, I hope the go button will be reintroduced soon, for now you can use the mod from den_po here

    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/8453-bundle-js-modding?start=40#61881



  • What do you need the Go button for, if I may ask? It does exactly the same as Enter.



  • I used to use the GO button on my old Opera 6 until they removed it too. I used to use it for reloading the HTML without reloading the images from the server, which was very useful and fast to get latest content. I also wish Vivaldi could bring the GO button back. Vivaldi is about customization, if you dont like the GO button you should be able to right click on the button and remove it, those who like it should be able to add it. Make everyone happy. I miss the GO button too.



  • If (that's a big IF) they make all the buttons removable (customizable), I wouldn't mind them adding all sorts of buttons.



  • @rado84:

    What do you need the Go button for, if I may ask? It does exactly the same as Enter.

    Not sure if you noticed that, but the enter key is on the keyboard not the mouse. And last time I checked the mouse was still the main input device for any gui based program.



  • @The_Solutor:

    @rado84:

    What do you need the Go button for, if I may ask? It does exactly the same as Enter.

    Not sure if you noticed that, but the enter key is on the keyboard not the mouse. And last time I checked the mouse was still the main input device for any gui based program.

    I don't know whether you noticed, but the usual way to type a URL in the address field is with a keyboard.



  • @Pesala:

    I don't know whether you noticed, but the usual way to type a URL in the address field is with a keyboard.

    Who said you have to type? I'm sure that paste and copy were functions available in any GUI environment 10 years before the first browser was born.



  • I had forgotten that Go buttons used to be a thing. I would tolerate a Go button if you could remove it. In any case, people typically actuate the Go button by tapping Enter, which works the same way whether there is a visible "button" on the UI shell or not. So why have a button? Vivaldi is meant to be feature rich, but there is a difference between feature rich and cluttered. I'd rather avoid the clutter. In fact, I'm just glad you can remove the discreet search bar, as the URL bar performs searches too. Why the redundancy?



  • @The_Solutor:

    Who said you have to type? I'm sure that paste and copy were functions available in any GUI environment 10 years before the first browser was born.

    If you want to paste a URL, there's a "Paste and Go" item on the context menu.



  • @Pesala:

    If you want to paste a URL, there's a "Paste and Go" item on the context menu.

    Pesala. I know how to use a browser.

    Paste and GO was broken until "yesterday", it still doesn't work on the search box, and anyway is not a a full replacement for the go button.

    Power users are used to cut and paste part of what's already on the address field, just to make an obvious example.



  • @fuller1754:

    Why the redundancy?

    Oh, please!!!

    Redundancy of what? O_o

    Should we remove any mouse command that is already reachable from a keyboard shortcut? :blink:

    The keyboard is a different input device. Makes sense to use it in some situations, makes sense to not touch it in others.

    Aside the personal preferences and needs, did you ever realized that vivaldi can be used in scenarios that are very different from a standard PC?

    Never heard about tablets, kiosks, HTPCs…?



  • @The_Solutor:

    Pesala. I know how to use a browser.

    I am sure that rado84 knows the difference between a keyboard and a mouse too. If you treat others with disrespect don' t be surprised if it comes back to you.

    So far, you have not explained what we both want to know, "Why is the go button needed?" How does it save you any time at all? If you're using the mouse to select and copy text in the URL, then paste and go is quicker than paste and then clicking on go.



  • @Pesala:

    @The_Solutor:

    Pesala. I know how to use a browser.

    I am sure that rado84 knows the difference between a keyboard and a mouse too. If you treat others with disrespect don' t be surprised if it comes back to you.

    Pesala don't try to find on someone else your usual behavior, please.

    I explained a lot of times why it's needed, but is hard to improve the transmitter if receiver's antenna is broken (or purposely misaligned)… ;)

    How does it save you any time at all?

    Maybe not using the keyboard at all? Maybe allowing to use one hand only to do a basic task like confirming an input?

    If you're using the mouse to select and copy text in the URL, then paste and go is quicker than paste and then clicking on go.

    Again that's fixed since a build or two after one year and half, (perhaps it's fixed because I filed a bug about it and I pushed the devs to take that bug in consideration)

    But even so, isn't matter of just paste and copy, there is the cut function as well…

    If you have an url like

    Http://foo/bar/pippo/pluto

    and you want to go to

    http://foo/bar

    You can just cut /pippo/pluto and push the go button.

    Just a stupid example but there are dozens.


  • Moderator

    There are people who have integrated the "Go" button into their browser use pattern.

    There are people (such as myself) who can't imagine a use case offhand that integrates a "Go" button.

    Neither group of users is right, and neither wrong. No one has a duty to think or move or act like anyone else, irrespective of whether their choices are efficient, economical, or "sensible." No one has a duty to understand another's use patterns or to justify their own.

    What we know is that Vivaldi already does offer multiple ways to do most things. They will continue to add more multiple ways to do more things, and will in time add the ability to add, subtract, move, activate, hide, configure, adjust, just about every button, panel, bar, field, shortcut, or UI element of any and every kind imaginable. Under such a scenario essentially all things are possible, including the option to have or not have a "go" button.

    Given that we've seen no high demand for the button, and given that its function can be replicated by other methods, I don't suppose developers will fall all over themselves to provide it. Still, it's nearly inevitable that we will see it.

    So let's not use this trivial feature as an excuse to grind on and on in disagreement - shall we?



  • @Ayespy:

    There are people (such as myself) who can't imagine a use case offhand that integrates a "Go" button.

    Basically that's a byproduct of the choice to not put the GO button (buttons, one per input field) enabled by default in the old Opera.

    Most of the users weren't aware that it was available.

    IMO it was a big mistake, as it was a mistake just like on the start bar case. The handy functions should be "advertised" or people ends to get used to live w/o them. The oversimplification so trendy nowadays did the rest.



  • I think the customizable UI should work kind of like Opera Presto did. Let Vivaldi's buttons/address bars be the way they are right now, but are removable and movable, and keep a menu in the settings full of buttons and all kinds of stuff you can drag and add to the UI however you please. That way, people can have their Go button, but it's not part of the default UI.



  • Sure this is what will happen. The GO button is relegated to be an optional component.

    Which is… better than nothing.

    But its omission is still an incredible lack of coherence in the UI, it isn't just matter of preferences.

    An UI must be coherent, then any user should be free to tailor it to his liking, no matter how much uncommon is it.

    In short the GO button should be there by default and optionally removable.



  • @The_Solutor:

    IMO it was a big mistake, as it was a mistake just like on the start bar case. The handy functions should be "advertised" or people ends to get used to live w/o them. The oversimplification so trendy nowadays did the rest.

    The start bar also died a natural death as it's usefulness was dubious. I played with it for a while, when it was new, but it's now off by default in my Opera 12.17. I do not miss it.

    [attachment=4106]StartBar.png[/attachment]

    There's over-simplification, and there's simplification. The default GUI should not look like an airliner's cockpit. The essential tools should be enabled by default, with optional extras easily accessible for those who want them. The dross that almost no one needs should not be implemented at all, or it should be removed if other better new options are available, to streamline development and make support easier to provide.

    There are extensions for those who want additional features, but the browser should provide what 95% of users need out of the box.
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