Bring back the delete button for "Open saved Sessions" window

[Irontiger]

Hi all,

I really love Vivaldi and its various ways of using a function.
With the introduction of the new sessions panel the "old" "open saved sessions" dialog lost it's delete button.
I assigned shortcuts to open / save sessions since years. Therefore I'd like to get the "delete" button back in the named dialog.
Currently the missing session button is disturbing my daly workflow

Best

Irontiger

[Pesala]

@Irontiger I think the dialog will be removed in due course. Users can now open, save, edit, and delete sessions from the Sessions Panel.

The dialog is still needed for opening older saved sessions. Users could open their old saved sessions and save them from the panel.

Sync Saved Sessions, currently has 188 votes, so that may be implemented in due course.

[Irontiger]

@Pesala Hi and thanks for your feedback
Well, I see the use of the panels, but it's not helpful in every case. It's always located at one side for example. The "old" dialog is centered and - in my opinion - easier to reach and use.
I really hope they don't remove that dialog. Another idea would be an alternate "view" of a panels as a dialog (not restricted to sessions)...?
Best

[DoctorG]

@Irontiger F2, enter Sess and select Session Panel; not fast enuff?
Is the Alt-menu faster? No.
Or had you added a shortcut to get fast to old session open popup?

Or do you mean you need less clicks/taps to reach old sessioon open popup compared to Session Panel?

[Irontiger]

@DoctorG Hi. Yes, I added a shortcut for saving a session and another one for open the saved sessions dialog.
My Workflows:
Save a sessions: Press shortcut --> Type the name --> Press enter. No mouse needed.

Open Sessions: Press shortcut --> select name by arrow keys --> Press enter. No mouse needed.

Delete Sessions: Press shortcut --> select name by arrow keys --> Press del. No mouse needed.

Everything works like a breeze. With the new panel this speed reduces dramatically. I'm partially sighted so it's much easier for me to not use the mouse

Best

[DoctorG]

@Irontiger said in Bring back the delete button for "Open saved Sessions" window:

I'm partially sighted so it's much easier for me to not use the mouse

Ah, ok, so you need better accessibility, like me; i hate need of mouse because of reduce motoric issues in hands.

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And yes, accessibility for people with special needs is sometimes not sufficient enough in Vivaldi.

What do you need to make access to Session Panel faster/easier for you? I can ask devs to imporve.

[Pesala]

@Irontiger

• Assign a shortcut to the Sessions Panel.
• Use the keys to navigate through the sessions,
• Press enter to open a session,
• Press delete to delete it.

[DoctorG]

@Pesala Yes, user can do this, but how to access the Session Panel search field easy?
Seems Shift-Tab key works.

But i can not access the buttons + - an Pen
A Accessibility Hell!

Bug reported as VB-102937 "Session Panel not accessible by keyboard"

[Irontiger]

@Pesala I already assigned a shortcut, but I didn't notice the keys works the same like bevor (enter, del, arrow keys). I'll definitely give it a shot.
Is there an option to change the font size and style of the name of a session in the sessions panel? The detailed information are good to read (x tabs in y windows), but the title of the sessions is harder to read (for me)?

Maybe a little offtopic, but you all help so well : Is there a way to overwrite a sessions with the same name instead of creating a new one every time?

Best

[Pesala]

@Irontiger said in Bring back the delete button for "Open saved Sessions" window:

Is there a way to overwrite a session

Just edit the session and that will become the new version.

Without using the mouse, Menu Key, then E (English UI) can be used to edit the session, but then you will have to use the mouse to select tabs or windows to delete, etc.

[Irontiger]

Thank you all

So I guess I'll have to stick with the font size and format of the titles. Hopefully I'll get used to that.

Best

[Pesala]

@DoctorG Thanks for creating the bug report. I submitted a feature request to Allow Editing of Sessions without the Mouse.

[DoctorG]

@Pesala Thanks for creating, i voted for it.

[DoctorG]

@DoctorG said in Bring back the delete button for "Open saved Sessions" window:

Bug reported as VB-102937 "Session Panel not accessible by keyboard"

Will not do a fix in next future.

So we need to enable Tab key for all elements of UI in settings and hit tab key s hell.

[SerebraSana]

@Irontiger Hi, I just "upgraded" to 6.9 from 6.2 and promptly reverted back to 6.2 when I discovered that the Open Saved Session delete button was gone. Who thought leaving just Open and Cancel and moving them to unnatural position on the left was a good idea?

The little panel on the left is not an equivalent alternative to properly interact with saved sessions. A nice, clear window with all appropriate info clearly visible and all expected options was and still is the optimal choice.

I would like someone to explain to me what drove these design and interactivity changes which are counterintuitive and nonsensical. You keep the window and only 2 of the 3 customary and universally used buttons?

• I need to retrieve a session: Open. Perfect
• I don't need a session anymore: Delete. Perfect
• I just wanted to check something: Cancel. Perfect

This is about managing sessions. How do you justify forcing users to go to the little, unuser-friendly panel to do delete a session while keeping the wonderful original window but removing logical functionality from it? The window is the proper place to manage sessions.

If someone wants to use the little side panel, fine. Let them use it. But don't take away the perfectly designed and functioning Saved Session window with the 3 basic and expected buttons.

[DoctorG]

For me the accessibility of such old Saved Sessions popup was and is bad. I prefer the Sessions Panel. And that is not a question of what i lik but what i need.

But i can understand the need of other users, a UI should have both, a Sessions Panel and a popup with a Delete.

[Sentensor]

I don't use the left side panel at all and keep it hidden all the time, so going there just to delete a session is very inconvenient for me.

[DoctorG]

@Sentensor OK, i see, for you it is too much interaction to delete a session.
I hope ths feature request will get more attention by others over the months and years. Perhaps when developers would have spare time, they could add a delete button.

[simonbarnes]

I have to say I'm in favour of the File menu way of doing things -- for a lot of people using menus is ingrained behaviour, and a lot faster and more standard (across applications) than learning the bespoke shortcuts for navigating each different application. I can fly through the menus; on the other hand I only remember that the F2/search functionality exists when I hit it accidentally, and find it too easy to select the wrong thing or just find myself hitting the up and down arrows a bunch of times. I can get to either of the session dialogues, with three keypresses, without moving my hand in about the same time it takes me to stretch my middle finger up to the F2 key just to bring the search box up.

That said, if Vivaldi is embracing the slow decline of the menu bar, I'd like to see a huge overhaul on the Panel as I find its accessibility to be poor (and I have no disabilities that I know of). As far as I can see it's just a sea of meaningless tiny icons that I have to hover individually over with a cursor (I'm a keyboard person) to find out what they are. I would assume that some people find pictures more accessible than text, so it would be good to have the option of a text-based panel.

However having been reminded of F2 I might try and force myself to use it for things to see if I can use it more speedily than I do now. I'm not actually too bothered about the delete session button being missing personally, as the only reason I was looking for it was that I've embraced workspaces instead