How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Vivaldi devs will not do it. FULL STOP.
Let us calm down.
Can we stop such useless discussions on Manifest v2 now? It is over.Wait a minute, you have now changed your post. So do you already have confirmation that Vivaldi will not add support for MV2 extensions?
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@RasheedHolland Vivaldi has support for Mv2 until June 2025, for Mv3 from now until future.
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Summary
- Mv2 extensions are not longer in the Chrome store after June this Year
- Chromium also won't admit Mv2 extensions after June
- Inbuild features are not affected by this Google crap, Google don't has access to locally stored scripts. Because of this, also an inbuild userscript manager can be a good idea to avoid the Store and Google.
- There will be also Mv3 Adblocker extensions in the Store, but as seen, they are not very effective against Trackers, because Google want it so to permit these to stay in the Store, it makes money with user tracking.
- The Vivaldi Blocker is pretty effective against Ads and Trackers, way better than uBO light, but is still detected by anti adblock measures of some websites.
- What Vivaldi need because of this, is an effective anti adblock spoofer algorritm.
- In other extensions, not related to security and privacy, it's irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
It was said that Vivaldi would look into ways to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions
I have no knowledge that the dev team found such way. So Mv2 ends in June.
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
The Vivaldi Blocker is pretty effective against Ads and Trackers, way better than uBO light, but is still detected by anti adblock measures of some websites.
The problem is that in my view, Vivaldi's adblocker is way too basic. It should get a matrix that let's you allow or block individual scripts. It should also give you options to disable JS and third party frames for example. And most importantly, it should also get an element picker to remove stuff that can't be removed by blocking trackers. And yes, it often gets detected, while uBlock Origin does not.
@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I have no knowledge that the dev team found such way. So Mv2 ends in June.
So they will do nothing to keep uBlock Origin alive? That's very disappointing, especially compared to Brave. This stuff should get high priority, can you bring this thread to the attention of a developer? And now that I think of it, even if MV2 extensions get removed from the Chrome Web Store, why wouldn't extensions keep working? I mean they are installed locally right? Vivaldi should be able to stop Google from disabling extensions in my view.
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@RasheedHolland, the Vivaldi blocker can't block individual scripts, but can whitelist webs, which is enough for me. Test shows 100% blocking.
The element picker, well, there are an userscripy which I used in the past, installed as extension, but never had the need to use it.
The only is the anti-adblock spooferwhich fails in some sites, mostly in YT. Because of this I use additional uBOlight (uBOlight isn't very effective as adblocker and also don't avoid trackers (tested), but the anti-adblock spoofer works fine.
So I see uBOl more as a good complemet to the Vivaldi blocker as an own adblocker, in my daily use it show that it works very good without issues, no ads nowhere and no anti adblock advices since then. -
@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, the Vivaldi blocker can't block individual scripts, but can whitelist webs, which is enough for me. Test shows 100% blocking.
Trust me, both Vivaldi's adblocker and uBlock Lite are not good enough for power users.
I think it's totally unacceptable that Vivaldi, which is the number one ''power usage'' browser, has still not made clear how they are going to deal with MV2 extensions. To make it even worse, it's not only Firefox and Brave that will keep supporting MV2 extensions, even Opera will do so. So technically it's possible, perhaps Vivaldi can make its own extension store, similar to Edge and Opera.
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@RasheedHolland, why not enough when Vivaldi with described settings blocks 100% of ads and trackers, and even skips cookie advices? Power user?
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, why not enough when Vivaldi with described settings blocks 100% of ads and trackers, and even skips cookie advices? Power user?
The problem is that sometimes when stuff is broken on a website, you need to allow certain scripts. Same goes for when annoying stuff isn't blocked, then you need to either block certain scripts, or you use the element picker. So these features are crucial, I don't understand why this stuff isn't present in uBlock Lite. Perhaps because of the limitations of MV3, or perhaps the developer wanted to keep it as simple as possible.
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@RasheedHolland, if you want an element picker, there is an script (86,6 KB) which you can install direct as extension. It's somewhat older but works fine as it should. I used it in the past, but desinstalled because I never really needed to use it. With it you can delete any annoying parts of an page, temporal or permanent, with an click.
Download the script and drag it on the Vivaldi extensions page in dev mode to install it.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle Since that's ancient, and since Adguard supports what he's talking about, I think that would be the better choice.
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@rseiler, yes, AdGuard is Mv3, like also uBOL, the block ads, but not so sure if they do it also with trackers, because it is most what is Googles business model. In tests, in adblocking and trackerblocking, the Vivaldi blocker has way better results as, at least, uBOL, except the anti adblock spoofing.
Necause of this, I don't not longer trust the Chrome Store in Privacy related extensions abd think that Vivaldi need to be with own functions mostly independient of the Chrome Store.
I think that Vivaldi with its ibuild blocker is on the right way, but they is still room of improvement. In other extensions currently show that most extensions in the Chrome Store are already redundant in Vivaldi because of its inbuild features.With AdGuard I see only the way of the desktop app, not the extension, but it is paid proprietary soft and only offers a 14 day free trial.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle Fodder to think about in the coming months, that's for sure. For anyone curious, this is what it uses (in the case of tracking, it appears to be a hybrid approach):
https://adguard.com/kb/general/ad-filtering/adguard-filters
I'm more concerned about their ongoing battle with Google to try to get them to accept some method of allowing them to update filters between updating the extension itself. They were winning that battle for a while, but right now, for instance, here are the last update dates:
Base filter: Feb 27
Tracking: Mar 4
Social: Mar 4
Annoyances: Mar 4
Security: Mar 5Without solving that, it's a no-go. The Windows proxy version wouldn't have that problem.
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Said:
AdGuard is Mv3, like also uBOL, the block ads, but not so sure if they do it also with trackers…..
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here are the last update dates:
Base filter: Feb 27
Tracking: Mar 4
Social: Mar 4
Annoyances: Mar 4
Security: Mar 5
Without solving that, it's a no-go.
Giving those dates is as ridiculous, if not more so, as when users claim that Vivaldi is not on the same version as Chrome, and are therefore grossly and horribly exposed.
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@barbudo2005 I didn't know that updated filters were irrelevant. One less thing to worry about! (In case it's unclear, this is sarcasm.)
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@m-e said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I hated it how Firefox treated their add on community
You mean like when they switch to the one extension engine and broke well over half of all Firefox compatible extensions because they dropped the BOMB and told no one before hand?
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@barbudo2005, Vivaldi isn't certainly on the same Chrome version, except for the security patches, because the Vivaldi team can't release a new version at the same day as a new Chromium release, it need a lot of work before, way more as only patching the Vivaldi logo on Chromium as is. But also far away from outdated and insecure.
https://yngve.vivaldi.net/sooo-you-say-you-want-to-maintain-a-chromium-fork/
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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Take care of this post, so you don't keep disqualifying uBOL or Adguard gratuitously, things that only come out of your imagination.
AdGuard is Mv3, like also uBOL, the block ads, but not so sure if they do it also with trackers…..
