How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
uBlockOrigin is still supported by Vivaldi.
As long as Mv2 is supported in Chromium core code, Vivaldi can support it.
When Google and Chromium dev team decides to kick Mv2 after June 2025, Vivaldi can not fix this.@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
This thread have 259 posts and you stubbornly insist on asking silly questions.
It has been known for a long time that the answer is NO. Get it into your head at once.
I understand it differently. It was said that Vivaldi would look into ways to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions, or perhaps this was Brave? I forgot because this thread is so huge.
But anyway, I believe that it's technically possible to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions, either that or Vivaldi should beef up their adblocker. But still no word about if Vivaldi's built-in adblocker will be improved.
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I understand it differently.
This is the underlying problem. You understand what you would like to happen.
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perhaps this was Brave?
Yes it was Brave.
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I believe that it's technically possible to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions….
Another wrong assumption, or are you a Chromium expert?
And even if It were, it has been said ad nauseam that the team is NOT willing to do it. Period.
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But still no word about if Vivaldi's built-in adblocker will be improved.
For users using uBO, the final deadline is June 2025, and "It is not now almost June 2025", we are in March in case you don't know.
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I believe that it's technically possible to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions
I know that this would take so much human and financial resources to achieve this. Vivaldi owners have no such pool of resources. So thea can not change anything.
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@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Another wrong assumption, or are you a Chromium expert?
And even if It were, it has been said ad nauseam that the team is NOT willing to do it. Period.
You said it yourself, it was Brave who said they will be able to support MV2 extensions by patching the Chromium engine.
I believe that was the whole point of this thread, to get an answer from a developer (not you), but I don't think I have seen an official response from any Vivaldi developer. And again, still no word about improvements being made to the built-in adblocker, three months is not that far away, but I guess this is subjective.
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I know that this would take so much human and financial resources to achieve this. Vivaldi owners have no such pool of resources. So they can not change anything.
If Brave can do this, then I guess Vivaldi can too. But I don't know how much work this would be. I also assume that if you continue to use old versions of Vivaldi, then uBlock Origin will keep on working.
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If Brave can do this, then I guess Vivaldi can too.
Pure goodwill. You're a hard nut to crack.
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I also assume that if you continue to use old versions of Vivaldi, then uBlock Origin will keep on working.
Again, fanciful assumptions.
Nooooo. uBO will disappear from the Chrome store and therefore will stop working regardless of the version of Vivaldi you have.
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
If Brave can do this, then I guess Vivaldi can too.
Vivaldi devs will not do it. FULL STOP.
Let us calm down.
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Let us calm down.
Can we stop such useless discussions on Manifest v2 now? It is over.I agree, can you perhaps bring this thread to the attention of a REAL developer, so that we can get answers about Vivaldi following the path of Brave, and about Vivaldi's built-in adblocker being improved?
@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Pure goodwill. You're a hard nut to crack.
@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Again, fanciful assumptions.
Nooooo. uBO will disappear from the Chrome store and therefore will stop working regardless of the version of Vivaldi you have.
Then how will Brave support certain MV2 extensions? OK, I see what you mean, without patching Chromium, it's game over?
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Vivaldi devs will not do it. FULL STOP.
Let us calm down.
Can we stop such useless discussions on Manifest v2 now? It is over.Wait a minute, you have now changed your post. So do you already have confirmation that Vivaldi will not add support for MV2 extensions?
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@RasheedHolland Vivaldi has support for Mv2 until June 2025, for Mv3 from now until future.
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Summary
- Mv2 extensions are not longer in the Chrome store after June this Year
- Chromium also won't admit Mv2 extensions after June
- Inbuild features are not affected by this Google crap, Google don't has access to locally stored scripts. Because of this, also an inbuild userscript manager can be a good idea to avoid the Store and Google.
- There will be also Mv3 Adblocker extensions in the Store, but as seen, they are not very effective against Trackers, because Google want it so to permit these to stay in the Store, it makes money with user tracking.
- The Vivaldi Blocker is pretty effective against Ads and Trackers, way better than uBO light, but is still detected by anti adblock measures of some websites.
- What Vivaldi need because of this, is an effective anti adblock spoofer algorritm.
- In other extensions, not related to security and privacy, it's irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
It was said that Vivaldi would look into ways to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions
I have no knowledge that the dev team found such way. So Mv2 ends in June.
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
The Vivaldi Blocker is pretty effective against Ads and Trackers, way better than uBO light, but is still detected by anti adblock measures of some websites.
The problem is that in my view, Vivaldi's adblocker is way too basic. It should get a matrix that let's you allow or block individual scripts. It should also give you options to disable JS and third party frames for example. And most importantly, it should also get an element picker to remove stuff that can't be removed by blocking trackers. And yes, it often gets detected, while uBlock Origin does not.
@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I have no knowledge that the dev team found such way. So Mv2 ends in June.
So they will do nothing to keep uBlock Origin alive? That's very disappointing, especially compared to Brave. This stuff should get high priority, can you bring this thread to the attention of a developer? And now that I think of it, even if MV2 extensions get removed from the Chrome Web Store, why wouldn't extensions keep working? I mean they are installed locally right? Vivaldi should be able to stop Google from disabling extensions in my view.
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@RasheedHolland, the Vivaldi blocker can't block individual scripts, but can whitelist webs, which is enough for me. Test shows 100% blocking.
The element picker, well, there are an userscripy which I used in the past, installed as extension, but never had the need to use it.
The only is the anti-adblock spooferwhich fails in some sites, mostly in YT. Because of this I use additional uBOlight (uBOlight isn't very effective as adblocker and also don't avoid trackers (tested), but the anti-adblock spoofer works fine.
So I see uBOl more as a good complemet to the Vivaldi blocker as an own adblocker, in my daily use it show that it works very good without issues, no ads nowhere and no anti adblock advices since then. -
@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, the Vivaldi blocker can't block individual scripts, but can whitelist webs, which is enough for me. Test shows 100% blocking.
Trust me, both Vivaldi's adblocker and uBlock Lite are not good enough for power users.
I think it's totally unacceptable that Vivaldi, which is the number one ''power usage'' browser, has still not made clear how they are going to deal with MV2 extensions. To make it even worse, it's not only Firefox and Brave that will keep supporting MV2 extensions, even Opera will do so. So technically it's possible, perhaps Vivaldi can make its own extension store, similar to Edge and Opera.
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@RasheedHolland, why not enough when Vivaldi with described settings blocks 100% of ads and trackers, and even skips cookie advices? Power user?
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, why not enough when Vivaldi with described settings blocks 100% of ads and trackers, and even skips cookie advices? Power user?
The problem is that sometimes when stuff is broken on a website, you need to allow certain scripts. Same goes for when annoying stuff isn't blocked, then you need to either block certain scripts, or you use the element picker. So these features are crucial, I don't understand why this stuff isn't present in uBlock Lite. Perhaps because of the limitations of MV3, or perhaps the developer wanted to keep it as simple as possible.
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@RasheedHolland, if you want an element picker, there is an script (86,6 KB) which you can install direct as extension. It's somewhat older but works fine as it should. I used it in the past, but desinstalled because I never really needed to use it. With it you can delete any annoying parts of an page, temporal or permanent, with an click.
Download the script and drag it on the Vivaldi extensions page in dev mode to install it.
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@Catweazle Since that's ancient, and since Adguard supports what he's talking about, I think that would be the better choice.
