How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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@Pathduck i feel like you wrote that before i wrote the above? as you'll see that my plan is not to work with him but use and or reverse engineering resources
He obviously changed his stance a bit because https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home exists
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@asianmusicguy, no need to be so harsh. It is correct that the Vivaldi blocker does not have the features of uBO Mv2, but it does surpass uBO Mv3 (100% in the Adblock Test) and it will surely be better in future versions of Vivaldi.
Vivaldi can't use many uBO filers because they work differently, no matter how much you insist, it must develop its own ways to get around the limitations in Mv3, which it surely achieves.
For my part, I try to stay away from the Chrome Store as much as possible in terms of security and privacy features, replacing them with scripts where necessary.. -
@Catweazle that's why i said we need to use their resources and lists right now its hard for a normal user to configure Vivaldi's blocker in its default state as finding compatible lists is very difficult where as ublock has hand picked curated lists Vivaldi on the other hand for it to have any power you need to manually find sources
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@asianmusicguy, it's not so easy. Yes, there are some filters which you can use in Vivaldi, I tried a lot of uBO filtrlists in Vivaldi, some of these works fine, but most others (>80%) give strange results, breal pages and UIs, blocking important results, block scrollings or access to input fields, things like this.
But as said before, the default Vivaldi blocker is pretty effective, until now the only problems I see are with YouTube, where it is currently very difficult to block a lot of ads (In videos they are skipped by Vivaldi, but often the adblocker is detected and the Video blocked and must be watched in embedded form), because they change their anti- blocking algorritm almost daily. Even Gorhill is in permanent battle with it with uBO Mv2 and abandoned this battle with uBO Light, where he ontly put the basics.
Vivaldi has to improve 2 features, to include dynamic filters and an element picker and I think that it will doo it updates in the future.
The approach of uBO isn't not longer valid for Vivaldi. Also not the Chrome Store for privacy and security extensions.. A lot of work for Vivaldi devs. -
@Catweazle While it’s not an easy task, the browser that will win users' hearts is the one that integrates a native ad blocker modeled after UBO, removing the need for extensions.
Step 1:
Preload and organize all the lists shared by @barbudo2005 into easily accessible formats, similar to UBO. Finding reliable sources can be complex, so streamlining this process is essential.Step 2:
Develop dynamic content-blocking capabilities, especially for platforms like YouTube.Step 3:
Optimize performance and ensure the blocker remains lightweight while maintaining strong filtering capabilities.Step 4:
Finally, as a lower priority, add element-blocking functions similar to UBO’s, giving users more granular control. -
@asianmusicguy, yes, the problem is point 2 which must be developed, all other is already fine (well, if you want you can add the cookie advice blocker) The difficult also is to surround the adblocker detection in YT.
At the moment I use the Embed redirect script and the Web Eraser script as workarround. With this I'm fine as workarround, but for sure it will be only needed for some time until the blocker is further improved.
It is a lot of work while Google is in this agressive anti blocker war with new shady tricks almost daily. -
@Catweazle how exactly is step one good ? as it is right now very little is pre loaded and users how to manually find sources they want instead with no guaranteed compatibility of something like UBO filter lists menu?
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Reading through various forums and articles, it's clear that there is a strong demand for a browser that supports robust ad-blocking and scripting capabilities. While the future may be uncertain regarding which browser will ultimately fulfill these needs, the existence of such demand gives me confidence that a solution will emerge. With this optimism, I’ve decided to keep the metaphorical cord uncut, keep browsing, and continue supporting our current browser choice for the foreseeable future.
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I think Raymond Hill will not spend unpaid free time to help to make Vivaldi Blocker compatible to uBlockOrigin. You think so? Or what should Vivaldi developer team do?
You are right, Hill works on uBO in his free time and he doesn't see his involvement in the development of uBO as a business.
But why it has to be Hill and uBO? It could be Adguard.
Adguard today is working brilliantly and it fights back even YouTube.
Adguard Software Ltd is a company like Vivaldi Technologies.
If Vivaldi Technologies makes a business deal with Adguard Software Ltd to develop Vivaldi's internal ad blocker... they use say yes.
Adguard Software Ltd is developing multiple extensions and applications.
They will have no problem to develop an internal ad blocker.. if they get paid for it.
Vivaldi is a small company with limited funds, but it needs this.
They could make Adguard Software Ltd a partner down the road and use the Adguard logo in the ad blocker to decrease the costs.
This is needed after June no matter if we diehard fans of Vivaldi don't want to see it.
If Vivaldi will be having a ABP capable ad blocker, and the only way for something better is a MV3 ad blocker and their limitations...
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Basically what the title says. I love addons/extensions. Some I can't live without (the reason I don't use mobile Vivaldi). But mainly because of the freedom to not be restricted in functionality. I hated it how Firefox treated their add on community and I will leave Vivaldi if Manifest V3 is not restricted in it's blow to the add ons.
I don't know where to go yet and I'm still holding hope that it isn't going to go the way everything in software seems to go: Enshittification until death. But expectations are low.
Please tell me you have a plan.
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@m-e I'm in the same camp. No matter how much they polish Vivaldi on mobile, I will never use it unless it supports plugins like uBO. That's why I use Kiwi Browser instead since it fully supports extensions. As much as I hate to say it, once Vivaldi is no longer compatible with uBO on desktop, I'm probably moving to something else. I know people like to bring up alternatives, but using sub-standard, subscription based, or pay to bypass ad blockers isn't my jam. More importantly, I don't like Google telling me what I can and cannot do, simply because they have an agenda they want to push.
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It's now almost June 2025, and from what I've understood, uBlock Origin will then officially stop working in Chrome, and still no reaction from Vivaldi? Will Vivaldi keep uBlock Origin MV2 alive or not?
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Will Vivaldi keep uBlock Origin MV2 alive or not?
uBlockOrigin is still supported by Vivaldi.
As long as Mv2 is supported in Chromium core code, Vivaldi can support it.
When Google and Chromium dev team decides to kick Mv2 after June 2025, Vivaldi can not fix this.i use uBlockOriginLite.
And other browsers? Brave will not really support Mv2 completely after Google and its devs broke the Chromium core code.
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Will Vivaldi keep uBlock Origin MV2 alive or not?
This thread have 259 posts and you stubbornly insist on asking silly questions.
It has been known for a long time that the answer is NO. Get it into your head at once.
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For all those not reading threads.
How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V2?
Will support it until June 2025.
//edit: typo in Manifest version, sorry.
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
uBlockOrigin is still supported by Vivaldi.
As long as Mv2 is supported in Chromium core code, Vivaldi can support it.
When Google and Chromium dev team decides to kick Mv2 after June 2025, Vivaldi can not fix this.@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
This thread have 259 posts and you stubbornly insist on asking silly questions.
It has been known for a long time that the answer is NO. Get it into your head at once.
I understand it differently. It was said that Vivaldi would look into ways to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions, or perhaps this was Brave? I forgot because this thread is so huge.
But anyway, I believe that it's technically possible to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions, either that or Vivaldi should beef up their adblocker. But still no word about if Vivaldi's built-in adblocker will be improved.
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I understand it differently.
This is the underlying problem. You understand what you would like to happen.
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perhaps this was Brave?
Yes it was Brave.
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I believe that it's technically possible to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions….
Another wrong assumption, or are you a Chromium expert?
And even if It were, it has been said ad nauseam that the team is NOT willing to do it. Period.
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But still no word about if Vivaldi's built-in adblocker will be improved.
For users using uBO, the final deadline is June 2025, and "It is not now almost June 2025", we are in March in case you don't know.
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I believe that it's technically possible to keep supporting certain MV2 extensions
I know that this would take so much human and financial resources to achieve this. Vivaldi owners have no such pool of resources. So thea can not change anything.
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@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Another wrong assumption, or are you a Chromium expert?
And even if It were, it has been said ad nauseam that the team is NOT willing to do it. Period.
You said it yourself, it was Brave who said they will be able to support MV2 extensions by patching the Chromium engine.
I believe that was the whole point of this thread, to get an answer from a developer (not you), but I don't think I have seen an official response from any Vivaldi developer. And again, still no word about improvements being made to the built-in adblocker, three months is not that far away, but I guess this is subjective.
