New Features thread is out of control



  • This is a bit of a rant about what is otherwise an excellent project and program. There has to be a better way of requesting new features. The New Features thread had over 110 pages - probably way over 1000 posts in it last I checked. Who is going to look through all of that? (And more importantly, how much valuable resources/talent is wasted on sifting through it before anything constructive actually gets done?) There are a lot of good ideas there, but it's really hard to see if someone has already asked for the same thing so there are more duplicates. This is not just a problem for users with a request. It's also bad for those who want to go through these and see if they can provide answers/solutions. When I look at my threads, I get one entry for the new features thread even though I have many posts in that thread which are both requests and assistance/comments on other requests. I like to help, but this just makes me want to give up. I have no idea what it would take to implement this "the right way", but in the mean time, maybe it would help to create a new sub-forum for feature requests. That way, each request could have its own thread, but all the feature requests would still be in one place. This would probably also make it much easier to search. At least all my request/assistance threads would show up separately in My Posts so I could get back to them. In any project, developers are always in short supply and rarely have time to look through user support threads at all. Feature requests have to be easy for them to access or they probably won't get looked at at all. Then, what's the point of making them?


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    Features can be requested at the bugreport page https://vivaldi.com/bugreport.html and developers are sure to see them.

    Early in development, a survey regarding features and priority of features was published by the developers and got a few thousand answers. That was useful to them. The result was a feature priority list a couple of hundred items long. Some thirty or forty of these have been implemented as nearly as I can tell.

    Of course no one ever has or ever will sift through all of the comments in the feature request topic. Developers, mods and testers just look at the new comments on it each day, so no one ever has to read it all. Features that strike a chord which the developers and seem feasible, or get tons and tons of requests, get issue numbers and get in the "to do" basket. All of this happens behind the curtain.

    I'm not sure that a subforum for features containing hundreds of topics would be notably more efficient. The fact that people have a place they can say what they want seems to serve the purpose. Factually, there are literally thousands more requests than can reasonably ever be crammed into any single software suite, and I'm not sure giving them their own universe to expand into would make them proliferate any less or make them more manageable. It would, however, create a bunch more topics that we mods (volunteers) have to click through…



  • If it would actually make things harder for dedicated people like you, then it certainly shouldn't be done.

    The reason it works as is for you is that you keep up with the new posts. When I (and probably others) come along and just want to help and explore a little bit occasionally, that's where it presents a cliff face. The main problems I have are that when I come up with an idea or suggestion, it's pretty hard to find out if it has already been suggested or even shown not to be a good idea. I'd rather add to an existing "thread" than start a new duplicate one. And, when I do add to the huge single thread, it's hard to get back to it later to follow up.

    I appreciate that what can and should be done feature-wise to a system looks very different from the individual's point of view than it does to a developer. It's just good to have a bit of a dialog going so that each has the opportunity to appreciate (or not ;) ) the other's point of view.



  • It seems (to me, at least) that something's wrong with the "Vivaldi Feature Request" thread.

    It says the thread consists of 110 pages.
    At this moment, in the Catetegory view, it says that the last post was made by Popkultur, Today 15:50.
    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all

    When you click on the "110", you go to: https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=2180
    The last post on that page is by Laamanaator, posted 26 May 2016 19:04.

    There's no "111" button to go to the next page.

    But if you manually change the url from:
    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=2180
    to, say:
    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=2190

    …you see that there are newer posts, the last one from Popkultur, posted today 15:50.



  • @lteric:

    It seems (to me, at least) that something's wrong with the "Vivaldi Feature Request" thread.

    It says the thread consists of 110 pages.
    At this moment, in the Catetegory view, it says that the last post was made by Popkultur, Today 15:50.
    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all

    When you click on the "110", you go to: https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=2180
    The last post on that page is by Laamanaator, posted 26 May 2016 19:04.

    There's no "111" button to go to the next page.

    But if you manually change the url from:
    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=2180
    to, say:
    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=2190

    …you see that there are newer posts, the last one from Popkultur, posted today 15:50.

    I get the same issue now.

    However, you are basically changing the subject of this thread which is referred to as hijacking a thread.

    In this case, it doesn't bother me at all, but for others to see it and give it the attention it deserves, it really should be in its own thread.



  • I'm sorry josephj11, I didn't mean to hijack your thread (of course).
    I thought the title was reflecting the issue I brought up but you're right, your original post has a different intention.

    I tried to move or delete my post but I can't find a way to do so.

    Sorry again!



  • No problem.

    Yeah. That's a deficiency of the forum software IMHO.

    What I have done as a workaround. This is just me - not something you "should" or "must" do.
    edit my post
    select the big red X as the topic icon for the post
    edit the post title to start with something like [moved] or [deleted]
    Create a new post in the "right" place and refer to the original post in the body of the new post



  • Thanks for your understanding.
    Right now, the issue I brought up seems to be solved, so there's no need anymore to actually "move" my post. Otherwise I certainly would have followed your advice.

    Thanks again and let's get back on topic now! ;)



  • @josephj11:

    If it would actually make things harder for dedicated people like you, then it certainly shouldn't be done.

    The reason it works as is for you is that you keep up with the new posts. When I (and probably others) come along and just want to help and explore a little bit occasionally, that's where it presents a cliff face. The main problems I have are that when I come up with an idea or suggestion, it's pretty hard to find out if it has already been suggested or even shown not to be a good idea. I'd rather add to an existing "thread" than start a new duplicate one. And, when I do add to the huge single thread, it's hard to get back to it later to follow up.

    I appreciate that what can and should be done feature-wise to a system looks very different from the individual's point of view than it does to a developer. It's just good to have a bit of a dialog going so that each has the opportunity to appreciate (or not ;) ) the other's point of view.

    What if the top post would get edited (and maintained) so that it reflects the suggestions that have been made further on in the thread?
    It would be a lot of work. Would that outweigh the cons described by josephj11?


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