Vivaldi and Google tracking?



  • At least one other person has noted some curious Google connections by the Vivaldi browser at launch. IPs include 74.125.20.xxx, 216.58.216.xxx, 173.194.33.xxx, 173.194.116.xxx This is without Google as default search, zero tabs loaded and I cannot find evidence of any other Google products activated in the program. I hope this isn't a sign of Vivaldi being one more browser that sells us out to Google.



  • Ubuntu 14.4, deleted all search-engines and all speeddial-shortcuts, closed all tabs (cannot close the last tab like in O12, I miss the blank background :( and logged the traffic during and shortly after the startup with the eternal proxomitron local proxy…

    First try:

    New Message Log Window....
    BlockList 3507: in BypassOn, line 299
    
    +++SSL 3507:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://translate.googleapis.com:443/
    HTTP/1.0 200 Connection established
    
    +++GET 3508+++
    Using Proxy - 127.0.0.1:4007
    HEAD http://qsuwutqieijwi/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: qsuwutqieijwi
    Content-Length: 0
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
    Connection: keep-alive
    
    +++GET 3509+++
    Using Proxy - 127.0.0.1:4007
    HEAD http://gijwqfzu/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: gijwqfzu
    Content-Length: 0
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
    Connection: keep-alive
    
    +++GET 3510+++
    Using Proxy - 127.0.0.1:4007
    HEAD http://zvmiatovcef/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: zvmiatovcef
    Content-Length: 0
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
    Connection: keep-alive
    Posting 0 bytes...
    Posting 0 bytes...
    Posting 0 bytes...
    
    +++RESP 3508+++
    HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable
    Server: squid/3.1.20
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:07:54 GMT
    Content-Type: text/html
    Content-Length: 3930
    X-Squid-Error: ERR_DNS_FAIL 0
    X-Cache: MISS from none
    X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from none:3128
    Connection: keep-alive
    +++CLOSE 3508+++
    
    +++RESP 3509+++
    HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable
    Server: squid/3.1.20
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:07:54 GMT
    Content-Type: text/html
    Content-Length: 3925
    X-Squid-Error: ERR_DNS_FAIL 0
    X-Cache: MISS from none
    X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from none:3128
    Connection: keep-alive
    +++CLOSE 3509+++
    
    +++RESP 3510+++
    HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable
    Server: squid/3.1.20
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:07:54 GMT
    Content-Type: text/html
    Content-Length: 3928
    X-Squid-Error: ERR_DNS_FAIL 0
    X-Cache: MISS from none
    X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from none:3128
    Connection: keep-alive
    +++CLOSE 3510+++
    
    +++GET 3511+++
    Using Proxy - 127.0.0.1:4007
    CONNECT https://ssl.gstatic.com:443/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: ssl.gstatic.com
    Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    
    +++SSL 3511:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://ssl.gstatic.com:443/
    HTTP/1.0 200 Connection established
    
    +++GET 3512+++
    Using Proxy - 127.0.0.1:4007
    CONNECT https://safebrowsing.google.com:443/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: safebrowsing.google.com
    Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    
    +++SSL 3512:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://safebrowsing.google.com:443/
    HTTP/1.0 200 Connection established
    
    +++GET 3513+++
    Using Proxy - 127.0.0.1:4007
    CONNECT https://safebrowsing-cache.google.com:443/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: safebrowsing-cache.google.com
    Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    
    +++SSL 3513:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://safebrowsing-cache.google.com:443/
    HTTP/1.0 200 Connection established
    
    ```There's google
    Funny are the requests 3508-3510\. Trying to connect three random strings? What's that?
    
    Second try, little different configuration, but the same from vivaldi. Also three connects to the random strings and some google-stuff:
    

    New Message Log Window....
    BlockList 3524: in BypassOn, line 299

    +++SSL 3524:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://translate.googleapis.com:443/

    +++GET 3525+++
    HEAD / HTTP/1.1
    Host: lzflltuqjnvq
    Content-Length: 0
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
    Connection: keep-alive

    +++GET 3526+++
    HEAD / HTTP/1.1
    Host: utinlhhjw
    Content-Length: 0
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
    Connection: keep-alive

    +++GET 3527+++
    HEAD / HTTP/1.1
    Host: eibhdbvnkbi
    Content-Length: 0
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
    Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
    Connection: keep-alive
    +++CLOSE 3525+++
    +++CLOSE 3527+++
    +++CLOSE 3526+++

    +++GET 3528+++
    CONNECT / HTTP/1.1
    Host: ssl.gstatic.com
    Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36

    +++SSL 3528:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://ssl.gstatic.com:443/

    +++GET 3529+++
    CONNECT / HTTP/1.1
    Host: safebrowsing.google.com
    Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36

    +++SSL 3529:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://safebrowsing.google.com:443/

    +++GET 3530+++
    CONNECT / HTTP/1.1
    Host: safebrowsing-cache.google.com
    Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36

    +++SSL 3530:+++
    SSL Pass-Thru: CONNECT https://safebrowsing-cache.google.com:443/

    Hm….
    
    Michael


  • Opera is bad enough with its Google connection, it would be unfair to judge Vivaldi from the preview, but the impression I've got is that Vivaldi's affiliation with Google is even stronger than Opera's, it would be a pity.



  • Well I hope they remove all the connections that call home to Google servers. I don't like that one bit either, if that was the case I would be using Chrome.



  • Definitely interesting, I hope the developers let us know what is going on with the connections.



  • Yes, it would be really interesting to know why there are these connections to google.



  • @Em-a-il:

    Yes, it would be really interesting to know why there are these connections to google.

    Opera has never bothered to reply about it, let's see if Vivaldi will behave differently, if I had to choose between better features and better privacy I would choose privacy.



  • You are totally right - Privacy is much more important than features.



  • @Robomike:

    proxomitron

    Respect. B)



  • I thought you could turn quite a lot of those off in the settings in chrome? Am i wrong? Should i be going back to firefox?


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Bare in mind the core of this id the Chrome engine, and this is still early days for Vivaldi development.
    First comes making it functional and then the fine-tuning.
    Other projects have managed to strip the google "extras" from their builds, so this is easily something that can be done.

    Some google services will be required behind the scenes, so it would be good to see this quantified and listed somewhere.
    eg. Cert validation and security features that chrome insists on, you may want to keep enabled.
    Things like maintenance are the only reason I am happy with the browser chatting to home if there are no pages or feeds open.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @Dr.Flay:

    Bare in mind the core of this id the Chrome engine, and this is still early days for Vivaldi development.
    First comes making it functional and then the fine-tuning.
    Other projects have managed to strip the google "extras" from their builds, so this is easily something that can be done.

    Some google services will be required behind the scenes, so it would be good to see this quantified and listed somewhere.
    eg. Cert validation and security features that chrome insists on, you may want to keep enabled.
    Things like maintenance are the only reason I am happy with the browser chatting to home if there are no pages or feeds open.

    That's exactly the case, the connections to Google services is how Chromium comes out of the box. Some of can be valuable as you say but should be optional.

    Thanks for showing interest,

    Björgvin,
    Vivaldi developer



  • True and like some already pointed out - Vivaldi Browsers core base as it is now is currently Chromium which is a project of Google, Vivaldi the way I look at it is a crossbreed of Opera's Browser and Google Chrome which is pretty obvious without me saying that even. Keep in mind too that this current version is merely a tech preview, not even really a beta or even alpha version really so new functionality, features, bug fixes and also the removal of some things may come as new previews or versions are released. I really like this browser but have also been using Chome as my more stable browser right now, but I am keep my eye on this and looking at Vivaldi as a possible future full time default browser for me.



  • @bjorgvin:

    That's exactly the case, the connections to Google services is how Chromium comes out of the box. Some of can be valuable as you say but should be optional.

    Thanks for showing interest,

    Björgvin,
    Vivaldi developer

    Great to hear that we will have the option in future to turn them off!



  • @Dr.Flay:

    Some google services will be required behind the scenes, so it would be good to see this quantified and listed somewhere.

    I'm sorry, but I don't think ANY google service will ever be required, or should be.

    Luckly, it's not the case.



  • It would make a strong case (for some people) if even the technical preview had the surveillance links off by default.

    It would demonstrate a commitment.

    Recommended for next release.



  • So here i must say that privacy and security is very important for me. I know that the sniffer anyway capture anything from a one.
    But it's the principle that no company should make glassy customers because it will become - or already is - self-evident and a standard process.

    Hope Vivaldi takes a different approach here :) Respect the rights of the individual. It will be the most precious assets of the human future in web.



  • @TalGarik:

    Opera is bad enough with its Google connection, it would be unfair to judge Vivaldi from the preview, but the impression I've got is that Vivaldi's affiliation with Google is even stronger than Opera's, it would be a pity.

    Vivaldi shouldn't have made even a preview with Google connections since Google is one of the most disgusting companies in the world, often referred to as The Grandmaster of Censorship.



  • If you read the topic, you'll find out that those are built-in into Chromium… And they are not focusing on these at the moment, since it's more important to get to a working software.



  • @II_ARROWS:

    If you read the topic, you'll find out that those are built-in into Chromium… And they are not focusing on these at the moment, since it's more important to get to a working software.

    Are you talking to me? I assume you are.

    No, I think it is more important to get correctly working software than just working software.


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