Workspace fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2978.3

KoreshS

@sjudenim You say it's in sessions, it doesn't matter. Here we are discussing the convenience of working with spaces and windows. If there is something in common with sessions, then so be it.
@trit34

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I believe that the current implementation is incomplete to the end. It is for this reason that it will be difficult for beginners and people unfamiliar with PCs to understand the idea of workspaces. My idea makes a simpler understanding of workspaces and makes a complete idea of workspaces. I want to note that I think this is a very important question, and I am sure that this is a very very important idea, and therefore it is necessary to create a test version with my idea so that it is clear that this is a very important revision.

I really don't know English well. I'm translating text Yandex translator in English, and then I translate English Google translator back. Checking the translation. And conditionally I think that the translation was correct.

But I ask all developers to get into my idea. And I urge that this is a very important revision.

jaunny

KoreshS I may be considered a "beginner" compared to many of the people who post here on this forum, and I find everything about Workspaces very easy to understand just as they are. If I understand what you are suggesting, and speaking just for myself, I don't think having "unsaved windows" appearing as workspaces would be helpful to me in the way I use them. Just me, though.

But I would find the ability to delete multiple workspaces at one time helpful (cntrl/click/del?)
One at a time PLUS that annoying confirmation pop-up is so tedious

KoreshS

@jaunny I'm also new to this forum. But I'm talking about other newbies. I'm talking about pensioners, doctors, mechanics, . These people generally have little experience with PCs. These people spend very little time on the Internet. But there are a lot of these people. These people do not know at all how the browser differs from the Internet. These people are more than 50% of the population.

mib2berlin

@KoreshS
Hi, it maybe better to make a request in the feature request forum part, these snapshot tread are closed after a week or so and nobody can vote for it.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/185/desktop-feature-requests
By the way, this 50% does not even know what a browser is, not really the typical Vivaldi user.

Cheers, mib

KoreshS

@mib2berlin You are right, these 50% are not typical users for Vivaldi. So because they are not typical, that Vivaldi do not take them into account. Vivaldi can't compete with Chrome in what Chrome is strong for. Vivaldi has its strengths.

And I try to make the new feature available to most people. Thanks for the advice.

Is it required that people vote for my proposal? After all, people voted for workspaces without seeing them. Maybe my proposal should be looked at by developers?

mib2berlin

@KoreshS
Hi again, the developer rarely read the forum but they check the feature requests.
The original feature request got a lot of votes: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/56898/function-of-workspaces-as-in-the-new-opera

By the way, I've given up recommending Vivaldi to Windows users who don't know what Windows Explorer is. They should rather use Edge then.

Cheers, mib

barbudo2005

@Ruarí

Are Workspaces a "kind" of Windows?

Could you explain in a simple way how they work?

mib2berlin

@barbudo2005
Hi, maybe you miss the description in the first workspaces thread from @Ruarí :

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/85072/workspaces-vivaldi-browser-snapshot-2970-3#:~:text=13-,Ruarí,-VIVALDI TEAM

Some reading fun until the team get back to work on Tuesday.

Cheers, mib

barbudo2005

@mib2berlin
Said:

maybe you miss the description in the first workspaces thread from @Ruarí

I read it.

I would like to know if workspaces are a "kind" of windows that are not displayed in taskbar tile.

sjudenim

@barbudo2005

Workspaces are very similar to tab stacks, but instead of tabs(web pages) being nestled in a single tab, they are saved to appear as their own tab bar

Sessions saves tabs within a window so when you open those you will be opening multiple windows.

So to answer question, no. Workspaces will appear as a single window in your taskbar since only 1 instance of Vivaldi is open, unlike with sessions which will have multiple instances of Vivaldi in the taskbar.

sjudenim

@KoreshS said in Workspace fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2978.3:

@sjudenim You say it's in sessions, it doesn't matter. Here we are discussing the convenience of working with spaces and windows. If there is something in common with sessions, then so be it.
@trit34

It does matter since your suggestion is convoluting features. Besides, currently workspaces are not saved as windows so stating if they are saved or not as such is inaccurate. If you want saved windows, that's what sessions do. Pointing this out is to help familiarize you with the browser

DriverOp

I wish someone could replicate this behavior.

Open any website (this very one may be).
Right click.
From the context menu select Developer Tools.
Put the Developer Tools in separate window (click on the three vertical dots, then "Undock into separate window").
A new window opens.
Return to the site window and repeat right click.
From the context menu select Developer Tools again.

Another window opens... but...
The other window with the Developer Tools becomes unresponsive.
If you close any of the Developer Tools windows, Vivaldi crashes without any message.

After restarting Vivaldi all open tabs are lost.

Thank you.

Pathduck

@DriverOp I can confirm this - please report a bug.

Please read:

carefully and report the bug to Vivaldi bugtracker

KoreshS

@sjudenim I have used many browsers where there are spaces. Opera browser is an analogue of tab groups. I used other browsers. Shift, Stack, to be honest, I have already forgotten the exact names of the browsers, There were spaces in the "Mini" browser too. And I will tell you that I have seen the topic of workspaces well from different sides. But in Vivaldi, spaces are like saving window tabs. This is quite good. But if it's like saving windows, then why do we need to introduce new terms. We can call the same thing saving windows for beginners. For professionals, it is important that this function be, and for beginners, the main thing is that it is intuitive in the name of the function. Therefore, if it is called window saving, it will be easier. People were asking for workspaces. But in fact, they needed windows to be saved as menus. and be able to quickly switch between these saves.

KoreshS

@mib2berlin Tell me what is in Edge that is not in Vivaldi, for what reason do you recommend Edge?

DriverOp

@pathduck: Thank you.
Reported as a bug with VB-96498 reference.

mib2berlin

@KoreshS
Synced workspaces you can share with other user, for example.
In my opinion Edge is the best choice for non experienced user, well integrated in Windows, fast and with incredible development speed.
This get a bit off topic now, I will stop discussion about browser and the sense of life now.

Cheers, mib

sjudenim

@KoreshS said in Workspace fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2978.3:

@sjudenim I have used many browsers where there are spaces. Opera browser is an analogue of tab groups. I used other browsers. Shift, Stack, to be honest, I have already forgotten the exact names of the browsers, There were spaces in the "Mini" browser too. And I will tell you that I have seen the topic of workspaces well from different sides. But in Vivaldi, spaces are like saving window tabs. This is quite good. But if it's like saving windows, then why do we need to introduce new terms. We can call the same thing saving windows for beginners. For professionals, it is important that this function be, and for beginners, the main thing is that it is intuitive in the name of the function. Therefore, if it is called window saving, it will be easier. People were asking for workspaces. But in fact, they needed windows to be saved as menus. and be able to quickly switch between these saves.

It's not new terms, you are just misusing the existing ones. Workspaces do not work as multiple windows, they exist within a single one in the tab bar. The "window" is the entire application, not the elements inside it

I actually rather they worked more like what you think they are, in that workspaces are saved within a single window across sessions. Unfortunately they are not right now, which is what sessions do but I don't like that they open multiple windows. I'd like to see the functions of both features merged

Plus my sessions panel still shows nothing, so there's that

g_bartsch

@KoreshS said in Workspace fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2978.3:

My idea concerns what is above this line.

Thank you for your patience with me; I still don't understand. I don't want you to waste your time on me. I hope someone smarter will engage you and work with you on your idea.

KoreshS

@sjudenim Ask your parents what browser workspaces mean. These are NOT new terms for you and for me, I have used 4-5 different browsers with spaces. Shift, Mini and others. But for beginners, these are new terms. And the bottom line is that for most it's a new term, it's easier for them to call it saving window with tabs. For you and for me, this does not change the essence. And it will be easier for ordinary people to use understandable terms. And for them, the term space is a new term.