Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home
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Any chance you will add the ability to change the nickname on the forum or at least on Vivaldi Social?
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Thanks, but no thanks. I'm tired of software vendors playing politics. If Twitter before, with all of it's problems, was good enough then, it's good enough now.
I'd much rather see Vivaldi, with their clearly limited resources, focus on bugs in the browser (such as opening a new tab from a stacked/tiled tab), then making some idiotic political statement.
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@joeyserio5 Having a social home away from Big Tech is a "political statement?" Privacy from Big Tech is pretty much half of what Vivaldi is about. So I guess that makes it a "political" browser.
But if what you're complaining about is that not having the "freedom" to offend violates your personal politics, then you do, of course, have access to several social platforms, for free, where you may, without restriction, vent your "political" positions which a majority of society find offensive.
Understand, however, that hosting a Mastodon server instance costs Vivaldi nearly nothing at all with respect to fixing bugs or introducing/refining features. It does, however, increase their exposure to additional eyeballs, which is pretty much essential to remaining in existence as a company by paying team salaries and paying the rent and keeping the lights on so that you (if you want) and people you don't know, can continue to have Vivaldi.
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@ayespy: If this isn't a political move, then why now? "Social home away from Big Tech" could have happened anytime over the last several years. You and Vivaldi need to own this decision and admit to what it is. This is happening now because Elon Musk owns Twitter and folks of the left are making a statement -- nothing more, nothing less. Don't patronize your users. Continue making a good browser and stay out of politics.
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@joeyserio5 This is happening because some of the devs have been pushing the idea for literally years, and only recently has it seemed that Mastodon might be developing meaningful reach, and this might be a viable effort. Vivaldi had and still has a Twitter account. It also had and still has two Facebook accounts. No one at Vivaldi cares even slightly about the politics of a social media platform's owner. They do care whether/where they can increase the reach of the browser's name in an environment where users can feel at home.
The anti-big-tech stance has been a part of Vivaldi since Day One, but social media accounts with any kind of reach that are not married to Big Tech are rare. Vivaldi also has accounts, as far as I can tell, at Reddit and WordPress.
Vivaldi does not have to "own" your interpretation of their decision to also join Mastodon. Frankly, the hostility toward Mastodon expressed by some on these forums since the move was made is very, very puzzling. It is related to Vivaldi's values, of course, but completely unrelated to anyone's politics. I mean, Gab is a Mastodon instance, and Truth Social ripped off Mastodon software and claimed it was their own, making it closed source. By also joining Mastodon, Vivaldi makes no kind of "statement."
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@ayespy: "Truth Social ripped off Mastodon software". I honestly don't believe you that "devs have been pushing the idea for literally years, and only recently has it seemed that Mastodon might be developing meaningful reach" and they're just innocently, minding their own business, moving now at the height of the Left's anger at the new Twitter ownership.
But, you know what, it honestly matters to me only to the extent to when tools of mine begin to become enmeshed in a political ideology and the developer begins hosting leftist (or rightist) seminars, workshops, etc all in the name of "what's good for the planet" and "what's right" -- instead of focusing on their job, developing a superb browser. You said that's not their intent. Good. I hope it's not.
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@ayespy: @joeyserio5: One other thing, regarding this idea of "Social home away from Big Tech", help me understand how Vivaldi, and their users, lose by having a "social home" on these other platforms, including Twitter. Specifically, how will this new Mastodon instance provide me, a longtime Vivaldi user, a better experience or support than what Vivaldi could provide me through their Twitter account?
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@joeyserio5 Jon has specifically written about this, how devs on his staff (he mentioned two names as I recall) have been pushing the idea for over two years. As I know Jon, I trust him not to just make stuff up. He's done two, maybe three articles explaining the decision.
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@joeyserio5 The Mastodon membership, were you to sign in for it, I don't think would be expected to improve your Vivaldi experience at all. It's not supposed to. It's just an opportunity for community members to participate in a social network that does not spy on them. Privacy is kind of a big Vivaldi thing. But it's just the sort of thing Jon/Vivaldi does. Vivaldi Technologies AS provides, along with the browser, a free community forum, free blog space, free webmail, sponsors a youth soccer team in Reykjavik, Iceland, runs a startup incubator named Innovation House in Reykjavik and Gloucester, MA, USA, etc. Jon, the founder, is kind of all about community. It's also his way of earning good will. He is also a lot about privacy and has written volumes on the subject of banning surveillance advertising and getting Big Tech out of the business of exploiting personal data.
So the Mastodon thing is nothing more than, "Oh, hey, look! Here is a social platform without spying and without advertising! We are going to help it out by running a server (or three) so that it can expand, and if any of our community members want to look in, you can sign on using your Vivaldi credentials." It is exactly the kind of thing one would expect Jon to do, given his history in the tech space.
So that, in a lot of words, boils down to just this: It's. Just. Another. Offering. It's also likely to increase Vivaldi's exposure, may lead to more good will and some greater usership, and the more users Vivaldi has, the more secure its future is. The idea of using it as a Vivaldi support platform (one of the accidental consequences of having a Twitter account) has not to my knowledge, come up anywhere.
I personally have never used Instagram, TickTock, Twitter or any of these and can't think how or why I would. I use Facebook to keep in touch with friends and family and for business exposure. I have looked in on the Mastodon space and can't think for now, just how it might interest me or be of some use to me. No one I know is on there (except some of my Vivaldi connections) and no one I know is likely to look for me there. I may think of something, but so far, no. But I have seen a pretty fair number of people over there with vivaldi.net IDs, who seem to be enjoying themselves, so good on 'em! Jon has offered them something they like - and I think that is what he meant to do.
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Hello, everyone! I'm Farel. I'm interesting to join Mastodon.
But, there are some question that I asked before I join that:- How to create Mastodon account using my Vivaldi account?
- Which Mastodon is banned in my country, Indonesia?
- What can I share in my Mastodon account (e.g. my drawing or short stories)?
I usually use some of many social media, such as Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. But for each of their usage, I will breakdown here:
-Recently, I used Facebook to search post-mortem and sleep photo (replacement for Instagram). Previously, I rarely use it
-For Twitter, this is my main social media. I used it for news update (especially Ukraine), weather, and more
-But for Instagram, I now rarely use it because of my trauma getting HTTP Error 429 and their spam avoidance policy that I don't like it. Probably is solved, but I can't contact any of Instagram staff, including its head, Adam Mosseri.
I'm sorry to share this. But, I wait for your respond.
Thank you
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@frlvivaldi To join, visit https://social.vivaldi.net/home and sign in with your existing Vivaldi account (do not use create account option). Check out server rules for content you can post.
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Hi guys,
I must be blind - is there an option to turn 2-factor authentication for Vivaldi Social? -
@eggcorn: Gab isn't on Mastodon anymore, Mastodon devs and client devs essentially blocked any access to Gab's instance of mastodon.
Everything else I agree with you. -
@thequantumalpha: Truth Social is just Trump saying what he wants and having the antis repost and reeee about it on Twitter and now Mastodon.
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@jon: I think going with Matrix would have been a way better play. It would not only promote it as an actual federated messaging app and would have made it way more accessible but also get more people interested in joining and trying it out, it would undercut Telegram, Whatsapp or Signal.
Plus you could have a main Vivaldi group to post everything you would on Vivaldi Social. I'm not interested in Mastodon for it's quackery and not interested in joining yet another social media. Personally I didn't appreciate seeing Mastodon tagged to sidebar on Vivaldi. -
@luetage: I see no point in it would have been better served doing an instance of Matrix, this is a whole lot of work for practically nothing imo.
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@doctorg: irrelevant to OPs post. You can make one though.
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@krzysztofdrozdowski
Hello, welcome here.You can easily log in to the new Vivaldi-Mastodon with your Vivaldi account, which you have.
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@ingolftopf Thanks a lot, but it's not an answer to my question. I do have a Vivaldi account which I use to log in to vivaldi.social; I want to increase security of the account by enabling 2-factor authentication, but I cannot find that option.
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Gab', the ultra-right network from the USA, runs a Mastodon server. Mastodon is free, open source software, anyone can install it on a server.
Gab's Mastodon is blocked by almost all other Mastodon instances in the world.
This means that almost no other Mastodon server federated with Gab-Mastodon.
Trump also runs a Mastodon server.