A little catch up – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2839.3

deneban

Disappearing Tab Contextual Menu is still disappearing. Using my trusty surrogate:

Pesala

@henriquepsantos It will probably never happen. Sync is work in progress and has been forever.

The problem is that sync requires server space and bandwidth, which cost money. It may be a decade before Vivaldi is profitable the way things are going.

henriquepsantos

@Pesala Well that's unfortunate... I kind of wish there was a one-time paid version of vivaldi, with some additional features. I'd sure pay for it.

ender85

Address bar still cycles through suggestions, though the selection at least doesn't reset (however the selection in drop-down does not necessarily match what the address bar shows while it's cycling).

killchain

[Address bar] Dropdown can lose selected item (VB-92616)

I'm not sure if this is the same bug I saw in the previous snapshot, but I'm still getting some weird behaviour with the dropdown. There seems to be a discrepancy between the highlighted row in the dropdown and the actually selected item. Moreover it seems to be a race condition of some sort, i.e. it seems to depend on how fast you type before the dropdown and the suggestions appear.

5eagull

Address bar still aggressively autocompletes

dannilundgren

@henriquepsantos: I would not like that at all. It would make the paid features a priority, and that would, as I see it, push the non-paid features into a "less important" group. That would be sad, and it has made, otherwise great, software a mess.
Donate or buy some merch, https://vivaldi.com/contribute/. - I just donated 10 USD, but I miss the possibility to make a subscription or a bank account number, so that I could set up a repeated transfer.

DoctorG

@dannilundgren Good question about regular the donations!
Some minutes ago, i pinged @jane.n from Vivaldi team to contact you/answer here.

jane.n

We're very grateful for all the donations we receive, but there currently are no plans to add a subscription option to Vivaldi.

Spreading the word about Vivaldi and inviting more people to start using the browser is the best way you can support Vivaldi.

Vort

Looks like you are breaking private windows more and more.
Several versions ago private windows started to show as grey rectangles with Vivaldi logo from time to time.
But now it happened ~10 times in a row. It either completely broken or will partially fix itself after restart.
Anyway it is not good.

mib2berlin

@Vort
Hi, I can open a private window 10 times in a row without errors.
May you open a new thread for this issue, these reports in a snapshot thread goes often lost.

Cheers, mib

enc0re

@Pesala Maybe I wrote it many months ago, don't remember. Looking on settings window, 7/9 of all settings are checkboxes/radiobuttons. Yes/no, true/false, 0/1, whatever style programmer would choice. To save bytes, lets use 0/1. One textfile where one line corresponding to every checkbox/radiobutton in settings could look like:

settings.ini:

# section startup
checkOnStartup=1
startPage=1
specificPage=0
txtSpecificPage=""
...

#section tabs
showTabBar=1
startpage=1
homePage=0
...

And so on...If the radiobuttons are groupped, which I normally would do, probably no need to specify every radio button.

Then write simple parser function which will check if only 0/1 are used for specific variables. No rocket science.

I made .txt file with 3500 lines. It takes 140KB. If I count with two and a half million of users, it takes 333GB. That is nothing. I doubt that sync servers are running under someone's table at home.

However, if I compress the file with bzip2, it has 140 bytes! So that is 0.32GB size of "full" settings of 2 500 000 users. That is even more nothing. Compressing/decompressing text file is instant, so it can be done on client side. And it is already done like that with current sync.

As far as I know, business internet's pays for up/down speed, not for transferred data.

So in real, I don't see any obstacles to not implement "full" settings sync.

And if the team needs rapidly more space to store simple values, then something is wrong with the design of settings. It doesn't make sense that from section TABS 4 random checkboxes are synced and the rest are ignored.

Vort

@mib2berlin said in A little catch up – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2839.3:

Hi, I can open a private window 10 times in a row without errors.

I don't know reproduction conditions for this problem.
Most likely, it happens because my PC have constant CPU, RAM and network load and browser is not tested by developers under such conditions.

@mib2berlin said in A little catch up – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2839.3:

May you open a new thread for this issue, these reports in a snapshot thread goes often lost.

It makes sense only if someone guess what happens and find more clues. Thank you for response anyway.

mib2berlin

@Vort
Hi, I compile an application, all CPU threads 100%, and download a 5 GB iso file.
My system starts swapping on the disk (SSD) and the last few private windows need 20 seconds to open but they open.
The system lags badly but Linux memory management is very good so all still work.
May you check your OS task manager if the system swap too, then it can take a long time to open a window, several minutes on a HDD.

Cheers, mib

Vort

@mib2berlin for me, private window either shows its contents relatively fast (< 5 seconds), or fails to do so completely. I did not tried to wait for too long, I just closed such window with Alt+F4 (I have no other choice, because window have no close button at this stage) and opened it again in hopes that it will work this time. When window opens normally, I hear fan speed changes and then interface shows up, but when glitch happens, fan accelerates, slows down, but grey window stays grey.
It may be related to swapping (not directly however), but also may be related to using browser for too long without restarts - looks like browser accumulates glitches over time.

Ayespy

@Vort I suspect it's some kind of race condition. If one command completes in front of another, all is well. If the other one completes first, it kills or freezes the operation.

Vort

@Ayespy yes, most likely. And to catch such problems, tests made specifically to highlight such problems are needed.
Some examples are: 100% CPU load (easiest one) and constant RAM swapping (harder).
It is also possible to add to browser randomly lines with delay function calls. If it not break with such changes, then with real delays it will be reliable enough too.

henriquepsantos

@enc0re I'll add that if the concern is server space, I'd welcome a partnering with a cloud service of some sort so users can at least "self-host" their own settings files... End-to-end encryption is still absolutely possible, so passwords are not unsafe... I'm sure 99+% of vivaldi users would fit into 1GB of dropbox or protondrive storage for example

Maniac

I'm having a bunch of rendering issues with Vivaldi in Mac that started today. I'm on this version, but I don't know when I updated. I made a post here:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/81022/snapshot-5-6-2839-3-rendering-issues

Popanz

Since this Snapshot one of my mail accounts (pop3) doesn't receive Mails anymore. There is no error message. Not in settings nor when I check Mails. I have this problem on two computers with the same account. Thunderbird has no problems with receiving Mails from this account. Anyone else such problems or ideas to fix this problem.