Stable stil not ready for every use, because



  • there are two issues that make vivaldi unusable (for me) (Problems experienced on OpenSuse 13.1): [li]This one should be easy to fix: Scrolling by [b]mouse wheel ist not really working[/b]. When I turn the wheel slowly, nothing happens. I have to turn the wheel at a certain minimum speed. It somehow feels like the window is in a pot of honey. [/li] [li]This is probably not so easy to fix, but is a very big issue: There seems to be [b]no cacheing of web pages[/b]. When I follow a hyperlink and then go back, the last page is fetched again from the web server instead of a local cache. This is way too slow. Btw: Opera (I mean the Old Opera of course) does this much better.[/li] So for the next few months I'l stay on Opera 13.1, then will check for Vivaldi again (as I continued to do since the release of vivaldi's first beta), but hope is decreasing.



  • I also use OpenSuse 13.1 (and a oldish Vivaldi, 1.0.403.20, because in the mean time the TAB key stopped working…)

    I do not have any problem with mouse scrolling.

    Not sure about caching problems



  • Agree about the caching. One of great things about Opera was being able to 'back' through pages instantly - no reloading at all. I really want this option again, it made such a difference. (I'm on Windows btw)



  • @harri:

    there are two issues that make vivaldi unusable (for me) (Problems experienced on OpenSuse 13.1):

    Not sure if this is a problem specific of your mouse, your setting or whatever but I'm unable to reproduce it, in Linux and in Windows all my mice a re working correctly

    This is probably not so easy to fix, but is a very big issue: There seems to be no cacheing of web pages. When I follow a hyperlink and then go back, the last page is fetched again from the web server instead of a local cache. This is way too slow. Btw: Opera (I mean the Old Opera of course) does this much better.

    Opera has the smartest caching mechanism ever, but on the other hand was also the source of many incompatibilities.

    Vivaldi is Chromium based so relies on its caching mechanism, I'm afraid we have to live with that unless Vivaldi becomes big and powerful to put their hands on engine, which seem unlikely ATM



  • Vivaldi is not loading the page from the server again, but from disk after checking with the server for the cache status. It just looks like it gets transferred over the network, because Blink is really that slow.

    @rf10:

    Agree about the caching. One of great things about Opera was being able to 'back' through pages instantly - no reloading at all. I really want this option again, it made such a difference. (I'm on Windows btw)

    Opera 12 is still being able to do that. :P

    Opera Presto just saves a bitmap of the rendered webpage together with the zoom level and viewport position to the history. That breaks some pages due to Javascript shenanigans. Opera tries to detect them and then falls back to conventional rendering.

    I try to emulate that history navigation by opening new tabs instead of going forward/backward. When closing the tab, the old one is still there in perfect condition. This also points to the way of implementing fast history navigation in a new way without breaking websites: Instead of storing just a bitmap to the history, one could serialize the entire tab state into the history and restore it when navigating back, just like having a series of hidden tabs and switching between. Of course, this costs memory and disk space, but just like Presto you could throw away old states when memory runs out and reload the page conventionally.

    This is low-level engine work though and therefore unlikely to happen at Vivaldi.


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    Interestingly, when I restore a hibernated page, it restores in the condition I left it. If I want it updated, I have to update it.

    So yes, the pages are there. But to access them instantly would require that the function of the back button be re-written - and that is, indeed, fundamental engine code.



  • @Ayespy:

    Interestingly, when I restore a hibernated page, it restores in the condition I left it. If I want it updated, I have to update it.

    It just reloads them from disk. Chromium does that to save on server bandwidth.

    The issue basically boils down to that our current browser engine being written by website operators. So they implement what they want, not what the user wants:

    [ul]

    • Website operators hate browser history, because it allows the user to go back elsewhere, they want them to stay on their site, so navigating history is slow and cumbersome to discourage using it.

    • Website operators hate the addressbox, because it allows the user to go elsewhere. So instead we have a searchbox, which sends the user where website operators want him to go (SEO).

    • Website operators add various privacy-invading features like EME DRM and WebRTC, because they want control over the user's machine to deliver ads.

    • Website operators want to save bandwith, so their browser saves everything to the HDD and reloads it from there without a way to disable that.
      [/ul]

    And so on. There is a good chance, that one day in Chromium history navigation might completely go away (because instead of rewinding your browser you could click through some nice ads on-site to get back where you want) and Vivaldi might lose this functionality, too.


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    Oh yess, and Website operators kill little cats with Gifs.

    Your jokes about "Website operators" (whatever such people might be) are really good.
    But i dont know why you visit websites? If these "operators" are such bad guys which force you something to do, you should not use a browser.

    PS: Caching on Vivaldi works like it should be.



  • @Gwen-Dragon:

    Your jokes about "Website operators" (whatever such people might be)

    You ever heard of Google?

    But i dont know why you visit websites? If these "operators" are such bad guys which force you something to do, you should not use a browser.

    So if a modern browser does everything to divert me to Google sites, I should not use a browser. Understood.

    (Might I ask what the point of Vivaldi is then?)



  • I dont think, it's a problem with my mouse, as i dont experience the problem with any other application.

    Well, much heavier is the cacheing issue.

    Vivaldi is Chromium based so relies on its caching mechanism, I'm afraid we have to live with that unless Vivaldi becomes big and powerful to put their hands on engine, which seem unlikely ATM

    That's depressing to hear.
    Well with lesser and lesser hope I'l keep on trying vivaldi - maybe every once a year - and in the meanwhile stay on Opera 12.16.

    Have a nice time!


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