Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience
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@Eggcorn A car is not "any computer". A car is a computer with a specific purpose. That purpose has nothing to do with browsing the web. Cars already have the ability to do anything you could possibly need a web browser for. Cars do not need web browsers.
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@xandork By this logic, cars don't "need" radios, either. But drivers want them. Factually, cars need fuel and maintenance. The people in the cars need other things such as, on occasion, to be entertained or to browse the web, get updated on news, remote-shop, make appointments, hold meetings, etc. It's only to be expected that infotainment systems would eventually evolve to incorporate browsers.
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@xandork said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
@Eggcorn A car is not "any computer". A car is a computer with a specific purpose. That purpose has nothing to do with browsing the web.
A car is not a computer, a car is a vehicle. Cars can have computers as components. Be it a computer to help run the car itself, or a computer for use by the people in the car. But a car is not a computer.
Cars already have the ability to do anything you could possibly need a web browser for. Cars do not need web browsers.
Say I want to browse this forum. How would I do that on a car-computer without a web browser?
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@Eggcorn said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
@xandork said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
@Eggcorn A car is not "any computer". A car is a computer with a specific purpose. That purpose has nothing to do with browsing the web.
A car is not a computer, a car is a vehicle. Cars can have computers as components. Be it a computer to help run the car itself, or a computer for use by the people in the car. But a car is not a computer.
Cars already have the ability to do anything you could possibly need a web browser for. Cars do not need web browsers.
Say I want to browse this forum. How would I do that on a car-computer without a web browser?
My bad, I missed some words in my previous comment.
Cars already have the ability to do anything necessary that you could possibly need a web browser for. Cars do not need web browsers.
If you want to browse this forum while parked in your car, bring your phone with you.
About the "but radios!" tangent:
Radios are a nice-to-have feature in a car, not a necessity, but the thing about radios is that listening to the radio doesn't take your eyes off the road. In the modern era, one could also argue that having music integrated into the car itself keeps drivers from fussing with their phones while driving.
But what does the ability to browse this forum add to your car? In what way is your driving experience enhanced by it?
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@xandork said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
If you want to browse this forum while parked in your car, bring your phone with you.
That's like saying...
If you want to browse this forum while sitting at your desk, bring your phone with you.
Yes, you can use a tablet computer (and most modern cellphones are tablet computers) to browse this forum from anywhere. But computers have web browsers for a reason, tablets having web browsers doesn't mean other computers shouldn't.
Radios are a nice-to-have feature in a car, not a necessity, but the thing about radios is that listening to the radio doesn't take your eyes off the road. In the modern era, one could also argue that having music integrated into the car itself keeps drivers from fussing with their phones while driving.
You neglect passengers in that analysis. Not to mention drivers who are parked, pulled over, or at a long red-light.
But what does the ability to browse this forum add to your car? In what way is your driving experience enhanced by it?
Wrong question. The question is: How is your computer experience enhanced by the ability to browse this forum? That the computer happens to be in a car doesn't change the fact that it's a computer.
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@Eggcorn said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
If you want to browse this forum while sitting at your desk, bring your phone with you.
Your desk is not the same thing as a two-ton death machine. I refuse to believe you actually can't see the difference.
You neglect passengers in that analysis.
Passengers shouldn't be able to use a screen that can distract the driver. Sorry if that's controversial. They can use their phones.
Not to mention drivers who are parked, pulled over,
Use your phone.
or at a long red-light.
Sitting at a red light, no matter how long it is, is still part of the process of driving a car. You should not browse a forum while sitting at a red light.
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@Eggcorn said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
Not to mention drivers who are parked, pulled over,
@xandork said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
Use your phone.
So because a car is a two-ton death machine, it's not okay to browse the internet in one even when parked or pulled over? Unless you use your phone, that somehow makes it okay?
"Safety rules" like that are not the way you respect a two-ton death machine! Rules like that are about showing people how much you care about safety, not about actually being safe.
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@Eggcorn For me at least, phone-browsing is a sort of torture. Browsing on a tablet is vastly better, and a 17" laptop leaps and bounds ahead of that, and a desktop monitor of at least 24" better still.
All I'm saying is, if my car has a 10" screen with a tablet style interface and my phone has a 6" screen, I'm browsing on the car's browser. I seldom need to actually browse the internet while mobile, and never do so while driving. But if all I have is my phone to do so, I dread it. Gimme a 10" screen over a 6" one, every time - especially if it takes up no extra space, doesn't have to be fished out of a pouch, holster or bag, and can be accessed the instant you park.
My $.02.
((to be clear, my 2017 vehicle has a 7" multifunction infotainment display for which you can even download and add apps, and it's basically rubbish at everything except audio and safety cameras. It even has a voice-response system which is likewise rubbish. It's even bad at GPS (for which I plug in my phone and use that) so it's not like my car offers such an option, but if it did, I'd find the occasional use for it.))
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This thread has given me a lot of insight into the mindset of certain drivers I see out on the road. Thanks for that!
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So, can I use it if I have Android Auto? I think no
, but why?..
