Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience
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@supra107 Wow - that's pretty cool! Didn't know anyone was doing that...
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@felagund , as I said before, although it is reasonable to reduce energy expenditure for infrastructure reasons, if the energy comes from renewable sources, the cost of this is not a problem. Energy expenditure is a problem due to production with fossil resources-
Currently it is no problem that houses and buildings can be practically autonomous through renewable technology, there are even entire towns with their own collective energy production (hydro, solar, wind, geothermal...). that is to say, decentralization solves a large part of the problem, for this only political will is needed.
In the industry there are many possibilities of recycling energy for self-supply (residual heat, use of residues/manufacturing gases, etc. which is already being done).
The point is that energy expenditure can be reduced, optimizing its use.
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Anyone who says electric cars are green and good for the environment is literally darwin stupid.
Vivaldi support in this Renault car is probably the only efficient and useful thing, mainly because all the other browsers are complete trash tier.
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@Catweazle Unsustainibility is not just about climate change and grenhouse gases - we are depleting Earths resources faster in more ways than that. I am afraid that at least as the western civilization (and US in particular), we need to size down (in the sense of dougnut economy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut_(economic_model)). Also, we do not have unlimited time, so reducing energy usage must actually a big part of the goal to get to net zero by 2050. There is actually this book covering how much energy is physically possible to get out of he environment: https://www.withouthotair.com
It maintains it is possible, but it calculated energy consumption at 80kWh/person (per some unit of time I forgot) - US has now triple that, Europe half as much as that, not counting the energy that we import via goods import from China and elsewehere.
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@felagund , don't get me wrong, of course it's not just about greenhouse gases and pollution, what I'm saying is that it's not necessary to plunder resources for energy production.
New materials can be sustainable, steel itself is 100% recyclable, in fact the material par excellence for this reason. Apart from being a construction material, concrete is an excellent means of absorbing CO2 which it has used in fabrication, make a 0 balance, among other methodes to elimate and recycle CO2 emissions. New technologies can provide or already offer solutions in this regard. It is not about cutting back on our lifestyle, it is about investing in policies outside the dictates of lobbies.
The change must start from there. It is no use inventing forms of lighting that save 80% of energy consumption, if this is then used to turn cities in Las Vegas into huge illuminated advertisements, spending even more energy, apart from light pollution. Energy sources that are wasted, except in countries like the Netherlands, which discovered the streets and highways as excellent heat stores, as you surely know that in summer or with solar radiation the roads can heat up considerably. There it was used to put pipes under the roads with water, which in summer is pumped by heat pumps to underground stores, to reverse the process in winter, to thus keep the streets free of ice and have left over for the use of the heating systems for the houses.
Sidewalks with pressure generators, which are used for lighting at night with the current produced when people pass on these sidewalks, also lighting only the places where there are people.
And many other projects like these, you just need the will to do it with the technologies we have. -
I would say cutting on light pollution in Las Vegas is a part about the downsizing I am talking about. Yes, new technologies are needed, but I am sceptical they are a panacea. They need lots of input materials too, that needs to be sourced from somewhere, plundering even more of the nature we have left. It is not like the Dutch are anywhere near sustainibility.
But yeah, I do think that he needed changes would not make us less prosperous or happy. I do not think it is necessary to fly somewhere every month for a weekend, own several otherwise mostly empty properties or have six bedrooms for 4-person family, or eating meat everyday not even mentioning having a huge car etc. Of course, individually abandoning these would not work, it needs to be a collective decision, but we need to be mentally prepared for that.
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@felagund I don't speak of plundering recouces, I speak of recycling recources and using recources in a more intelligent manner, precisly avoiding to plunder Earth resources.
The problem is that we are the only species that produces garbage and instead of reusing raw materials (urban mining), our mountains of garbage grow day by day, while we plunder natural resources instead of recycling what we throw away, it is to move away from the philosophy of using and throw.
We don't need to go back to the hunters and gatherers of 20,000 years ago, we just need to use our resources more wisely instead of wasting them.
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@Catweazle I do not want to go back to hunter's and gatheres, I would be happy with one car per ten people, not one car per person:-). Circular economy is of course necessary - I am just afraid that it would mean, in monetary terms, increased prices (more of the externalities would be incorporated). That is of course just and right, it would just mean "stuff" would became less affordable. That is all well - we do not need as much stuff as we produce (and we do not need 40-hour working week).
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@mossman I actually know about their existence only because I've seen them at a tech store here in Poland.
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@felagund , not one car per person, currently there are w2 cars per person and not small ones, SUV, 4*4, pick ups....,
jamming the streets, sweating blood to find a parking space. Using the car for a 3 km way, which they then have to walk anyway, when they finally find a parking lot that is far from the place where they have to go.
The change begins with ourselves, reflecting very well why we really need a car and what car. We do not take into account the expense involved. if we live in a city like most people, because of the cost of a car, its maintenance, insurance, taxes, etc. for the same reason we could go every day by taxi and we have plenty. -
Why does a car need a web browser???
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@xandork For the same reason that a fish needs a bicycle.
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@xandork , well, for those who prefer it simple there is also
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@Catweazle said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
@xandork , well, for those who prefer it simple there is also
Whoa, I must have just gotten Mandela Effected! See, in my home universe, we have GPS apps like Google Maps and OpenStreetMap. Where I come from, no one would even consider using their phone's web browser to look up directions. And we don't only have phones, we even have machines that will specifically and only give you GPS directions.
Weird how this universe doesn't have anything other than phones' web browsers to provide this functionality. Seems like a missed opportunity.
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Renault improvement after using Vivaldi
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@felagund said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
[W]e are depleting Earths resources faster in more ways than that. I am afraid that at least as the western civilization (and US in particular), we need to size down
Economics will take care of that: As non-renewable resources become scarcer, they'll get more expensive. So people will use more renewable resources.
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@xandork said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
Why does a car need a web browser???
Same reason any computer needs a web browser.
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@Eggcorn That is a very simplistic way at looking at how the world works. It is full of very inefficient markets. I think that if it is left to the market, we are heading for a revolution. But anyway, even if what you say is true - it assumes there is enough renewable resources to replace the non-renewable ones. I am afraid that is not really true. Also, if this is left to the market, unless we tax carbon worldwide at hundreds of Euros per tonne, nothing is going to happen. I am all for taxing, but I am afraid before market sets in, climate change will have gone too far.