Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience
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The first browser on Android Automotive OS, Vivaldi arrives in Renault’s next-generation cars – Megane E-Tech Electric, All-New Austral and all future cars with OpenR Link system.
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CEO & Co-founder Vivaldi
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Will it also be available in this model?
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Great news! A really good reason to consider Renault again!
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@jon , congrats, great news (next Tesla?)
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I must say I am not thrilled by this, cars are 20th century technology that are not sustainable even when battery powdered (the energy and material demands of their construction exceed what Earth can provide). Vivaldi on board of a car won't change that.
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Maybe I will consider Renault next time
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@felagund , agree, but the impact in the environment depends on the current batteries, but these are changing with new tecnologies (graphene and others instead of lithium) and the power source, if they are by fossil energy or renevable energy.
All this is changing, accelerated by the Ucraine War.
Fossil fuel can't be the future in the transport systems. A electric powered car or transport is a much less impact for the environment, also preferable because of infinite les mainenance as a conventional engine (only one moving piece, not hundreds like in a normal engine) Apart of much greater performance in a electric engine (you can carry a 300 hp electric motor under your arm) -
@Catweazle It is not just batteries, cars are a lot of steel and other stuff that need energy to be produced. Car batteries need power to be charged. Cars are extremely inefficient means of getting around. I doubt Earth can sustain even electric car ownership at the levels now current in Europe or US. Public transportation (especially trains, and not mainly the super fast ones) and bikes are way more sustainable.
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@felagund Public transit is more or less practical where points of departure for people and destinations for people are more or less in close proximity to each other, and a finite number of stops on a crowded schedule can accommodate everyone within a circumscribed area. Large cities are an example. When I was studying in Los Angeles, I took the bus everywhere and otherwise had a bike.
It would not be possible/practicable/economical for persons like myself in the "wide open spaces" of the United States. I am 3km from the nearest public transportation, may have appointments that are scheduled minutes apart, and have to go places that are likewise nowhere near public transportation - pretty much every day. I was, on Monday, able to do a job in 2.25 hr that would have taken nearly 6 hr had I used public transportation. Not practical. I have two offices 10000km distant from each other, between which I can comfortably travel (in my hybrid vehicle) in 8.5 to 9 hr. Using mass transit, the cost would be double, and the time would be as well. From 1980 to 2000 I had two cabins and a country retreat that were hundreds of km from the nearest public transit - one 'way out in the desert, and two more on top of a mountain. We went there every weekend, weather permitting. My situation is not at all unusual for the more rural regions of the US. Everyone cannot be jammed together elbow-to-elbow like much of the UK and Europe. Not everyone is compatible with such a life.
The grocery that has the products and prices I prefer is 17 min from here by car. 2 hr by bus. Same with the big box store I patronize (a two-minute drive, or a fifteen-minute walk from the grocery) To make this more convenient, we could of course tax the local populace to death and jam the streets with cabs and buses rather than cars, but folks here will not go for that.
It's not impractical for places like New York or Los Angeles, but they each have over 115 times the population density of my largish city.
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@Ayespy I am not sure your way of life is/was sustainable (2 offices, two cabins, one country retreat and I assume a home for one person/family, really - though I understand you have downsized now). I wonder what your carbon footprint is/was with that. Granted, information about climate change was supressed in the 1980s and to some extent 1990s too.
However, that notwithstanding, I am not actually arguing to abandon cars altogether and yes, in extremely rural settings, something like a car (though not the huge trucks so popular in the US) probably makes sense. Vast majority of people anywhere in the world do not live in such a setting though. I am not sure about your particular settings, but the lack of public transport is usually a policy choice following the tax regimes and urban planning. Public transport is often financially non-sensical because most of its potential users use a car (which are pretty much everywhere heavilly subsidized) - even if it is more expensive and inconvenient for them. But yeah, if you do live in the middle of nowhere, then car make sense.
For me, making cars better is just not something to boast about.
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@supra107 said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
Will it also be available in this model?
You'll need a phone/tablet and this
Found a bug? Submit bugreport!
Знайшов баґ? Зроби баґрепорт!
Нашёл баг? Отправь багрепорт!
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@felagund , right, cars need a lot of steel, but independient if it a electric one or one with a combustion engine, the last one need much more steel for the engine. Batteries, as I said are the only problem, but this point is changing, also the power supply, uf used renevable energy it isn't a problem.
But yes, in general it is necessary to reduce the use of personal and individual transport, less because of the energy issue, but because of clogged road infrastructure to carry a 75kg ass 2 km with a 1.5 ton machine.
Many people do however need a car, to get to work or for other reasons when they live far from the city centre, but this is mainly a problem caused by poor public transport infrastructure.
I have lived in a town 45km from the capital and I had 3 buses a day at my disposal, that is, there without a car you are on the Moon. -
@Catweazle said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
But yes, in general it is necessary to reduce the use of personal and individual transport, less because of the energy issue, but because of clogged road infrastructure to carry a 75kg ass 2 km with a 1.5 ton machine.
But that 1.5 machine is also an energy issue. Given how fast we need to reduce our energy consumption, electrifying everything at current rate of consumption (assuming less developed nations do not want to stay stuck where they are) is just not enough, there needs to be less energy consumption even if the energy is green because we will never achieve all-green energy otherwise. But yeah, no point in shaming individual car users - it is up to the state to provide working public transportation.
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@felagund A study of U.S. population density and distances quickly shows that the vast, vast majority of the country is "extremely rural" by standards with which you would be familiar. In fact, this is true of pretty much the entire globe, absent Europe and Asia. Hell, compared to Canada, the US is "tightly-packed" even in rural regions.
But look at the population densities of the African, Russian, South American, Mexican, Australian, Canadian, etc. continents and sub-continents and you will find that individual transportation is irreplaceable in these areas. I agree that cars, as we understand them, are resource-hogs, but mass transit is no solution for 3/4 of the planet's land surface. You cannot mandate that mankind live in congested cities.
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@felagund said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
- it is up to the state to provide working public transportation.
And it is up to the individual to contribute half or more of their individual productive income to support a state capable of this. We are talking about preserving a planetary situation capable of maintaining the viability of humanity, and a humanity which is facially unwilling to take part. It's a conundrum to be sure.
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@ayespy In all undeveloped countries (Morroco, Ethiopia, Nepal just to name a few) I have been to, public transport even in rural circumstances was actually the norm. Rural does not necessarily mean not dense. Globally, private cars are still a luxury.
Regarding density - yes, but the rural majority of the country contains a minority of people - the world is 56 % global now, according to the UN and will be 67 % rural in a two or three decades. Public transport is not only super pricy underground trains but also communal minibuses. Even in a lot of countryside, it would make financial sense for people to rely on those. Cars seem to be irreplacable because we have made them that way.
@Ayespy said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
We are talking about preserving a planetary situation capable of maintaining the viability of humanity, and a humanity which is facially unwilling to take part. It's a conundrum to be sure.
I guess facially was supposed to be financially - I cannot agree more with that.
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@felagund said in Tour de force: Vivaldi and Renault team up for the best on-road experience:
I am not sure your way of life is/was sustainable (2 offices, two cabins, one country retreat and I assume a home for one person/family, really
The solution to this problem is to die or to shrink/limit one's personal reach/existence to within "sustainable" boundaries. Many persons could not do it and maintain their mental well-being.
I lived in neighborhoods like these and found it utterly claustrophobic:
This is more my speed:
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Well, American obsession with single-family houses is of course quite silly and urban sprawl is a very unpleasant enviroment to live in. Rural living can be quite sustainable of course - frequently moving between multiple properties that are otherwise unoccupied much less so. However, I would not personally blame you - as long as our tax and moral systems allow it, people will live unsustainably. We just need to reach a consensus that especially the more wealthy among us need to size down.
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@kurai: Or one of those 1 DIN radios with an expandable LCD screen.
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@felagund The word is "facially" In other words, "on the face of it," "as one can see," or "obviously."
