What's The Purpose of Vivaldi?



  • I am using Vivaldi for 1 week. I was using Chrome before. I read basic information about Vivaldi, why and when it created Okay, it's visually improved for ease of use and shiny. But still i can't understand why they forked a new Chromium Browser that seriously.


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    The thinking, per the founder of Vivaldi, was not "gee, we need a different flavor of Chromium browser. I think I will fork it."

    Rather, "Classic Opera provided a flexibility, configurability and user convenience to power users that no browser provides today. I and many of my friends want to have the same kind of browsing experience that Classic Opera provided." Then they looked about to decide which engine held the most promise for providing a platform that could be relied on to render the web accurately, be there in the future, and ensure compatibility on an ongoing basis without the need to write one's own engine. They settled on Blink (Chromium) as the engine. But the reason the browser exists is that literally millions of browser users in the world were dissatisfied with the simplicity and rigidity of "modern" browsers.



  • Just to add, the " flexibility, configurability and user convenience" is NOT an easy target. Consider Release 1.0 as an indicator, not the final version by a long way. The devs are still working on it and will be doing so for some time to come.



  • etemelkuran, i find the subtext of your post quite confounding. Could you seriously not identify by yourself the manifest differences [= benefits / improvements / extra functionality] of V over Chrome? You said you used V for a whole week prior to writing your somewhat indignant post… really, in all that time, not a single difference between V & Chrome occurred to you ("shiny" is just gratuitous mocking)? If so, i'm pretty gobsmacked. In early Feb last year when i first installed V TP1, it took maybe 30' [but probably much less] for me to see how exciting the future potential, & [then] already-present capability of V was. It was especially exciting given that it was crystal clear to me right from the start that V had every chance & intent to take the crown from the exalted Opera [Presto] & not only bring us lots of O/P's rich feature-list sadly missing from contemporary unworthy simpleton browsers, but also bring us new functionality.

    I do very much appreciate that you might be one of the V users who never used O/P, maybe even never heard of it before… however, if you are familiar with Chrome [retch, ugh], surely even a cursory usage of V would have allowed you to perceive the differences? Let me mention just two of V's killer functions; tab stacks & tab tiles… Chrome does not offer these... how could anyone who's ever used these & thus knows how much they improve one's browsing efficiency & efficacy ever be satisfied with returning to an "ordinary" browser without them? The fact that you posted implies that all my above assumptions were incorrect wrt you, but even so, i do hope that you will find V a very satisfying powerful vehicle for your web pleasure & utility. I certainly do. Good luck & happy browsing to you.



  • I understand but right now all Chromium browsers depending on Google to stand powerful like that. Can they be able to shape new standards and participate in(that much skilled)? Replacing Opera is not that big target. One more thing, if Opera became Chromium and Vivaldi targets the leaving users, why Vivaldi came out with Chromium and did the same?


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    @etemelkuran:

    I understand but right now all Chromium browsers depending on Google to stand powerful like that. Can they be able to shape new standards and participate in(that much skilled)? Replacing Opera is not that big target. One more thing, if Opera became Chromium and Vivaldi targets the leaving users, why Vivaldi came out with Chromium and did the same?

    You say "I understand" but it doesn't really appear that you do.

    1. Vivaldi exists to make the kind of people who were frustrated with the loss of a very powerful and flexible platform when Old Opera died, happy once more. That is why it is here. Initially, only to replace Old Opera. Maybe for a larger audience later? We will see, won't we?

    2. Having decided to build a new powerful and flexible browser, they needed to pick an engine for it. After much research and deliberation, they decided on the Chromium engine. That is NOT the browser. It is just the engine.

    3. Opera did not become Chromium. Opera decided to abandon the Presto engine because it was too costly to develop and maintain, and they decided to replace it with the Chromium engine. THEN, they took a totally different path from their historical one, and the one which Vivaldi is on. They decided NOT to continue the tradition of Old Opera, but rather to pursue mass-acceptance, whether their old users would be happy with the product or not. (Turns out mostly, not.)

    An engine is just an engine. It is the choice of the browser builders whether they choose to build a flexible, powerful browser for all of their old friends on it (as Vivaldi is doing) or to choose simplicity, commercialism, and mass acceptance (as Opera is now doing).

    What is the purpose of Vivaldi? It is in the motto: "A new browser for our friends." And since the friends of the Vivaldi Team are the former dedicated and fanatical Opera users, back when a real browser was still being built, then that is who they are building a new browser for. It's not about the tools. It's about the philosophy.



  • I am myself can prepare a browser on that engine, so engine is almost everything.

    Vivaldi Temple,Can i light a candle sir?


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    @etemelkuran:

    I am myself can prepare a browser on that engine, so engine is almost everything.

    Vivaldi Temple,Can i light a candle sir?

    Well - certainly you don't need Vivaldi. You've all the skill you need to build the perfect browser. I recommend you do so, and leave us acolytes alone to worship in peace. There will be a double benefit to this. First, you'll quit pissing off people who actually grasped the point of Vivaldi from the outset, and tried to help you because we mistook your veiled antagonism for genuine curiosity, and better still, you'll become fabulously wealthy by offering the first improved mouse trap to surface in the last couple of decades or so.

    We feeble-minded and gullible users bow to your vastly superior wisdom, and await the wonders that you will produce for a world that cries out for browser fulfillment.

    Effing troll.



  • i can't understand you, are you fanboy or smtg? i just using this browser, it's nice.
    i was looking for answers and i saw that it's just a new browser fantasy. no problem. i can recommend this browser but being fanboy is very stupid. it's free too but i was just looking if there's something special in it. some people make browser for extreme security, some people make for lightness or multimedia, some for web development.


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    You never used the old Classic Opera browser did you?



  • I mostly love reading your posts here Ayespy, & this thread was no exception. Nice, very nice… & highly amusing [still giggling here, but then again, i'm just another silly fangirl].



  • @op

    A very good question is. What's the purpose of your thread?

    You don't look like someone who what sincerely understand, you looks like someone who has already a pre-made answer and want to share it with trolling purposes



  • Does Vivaldi need a purpose beside browsing the web? :woohoo:


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    Does Tesla need a purpose besides driving?



  • Vivaldi looks and works fine. Purpose, however, to me as a skeptic is secondary to how will Vivaldi be monitized.

    With a development team, and not making a proprietary search page for profiling and profile selling, how will cash flow be generated beyond volunteer contributions?

    I understand many would balk at invoking the tired, "If the product is free you are the product," saying, but it is a question I hold in most instances. Without pressing. Without being rude. Showing cautious prudence and having a skeptical viewpoint never hurts anyone. The adventure keeps improving usage capabilities along with a manageable memory footprint and a good site loading speed. It seems on track to a fine final product and I extend the hope it will be popularly used.


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    Factually, Vivaldi will have to break even or make a small profit in order to be sustainable. At present, the founder is paying for it out of his own pocket. That cannot continue indefinitely. However, is monetization primary? In this case, probably not.

    It's already known that Jon will recoup his costs by selling our eyeballs to search companies and advertisers. Will he also sell our souls and our profiles? It would seem not. He doesn't need the money that badly.

    Vivaldi was never conceived and founded as a money-making scheme. It was conceived and founded as a way for the founder and his friends to once again have a browser that they liked, as none was present in the current market place, and none was on the horizon. It was never "how shall I make some money?" (as Jon already does quite well, apparently). It was, from the start, "what is missing in my life?" Well, for one thing, a decent browser. The browser community has moved, en masse, to a "lowest common denominator" market philosophy, and so if someone did not revive the "Classic Opera" ethos, that was never going to change, and no decent browser was ever going to reappear.

    There's your purpose.


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