Archived still showing even though archive button not selected

zhurinn

@mib2berlin The issue is that archiving an email in the Inbox using Vivaldi Mail doesn't work on Gmail servers. See use case #3 in my post https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/727235

I put the information in this thread because of the post from @WildEnte at https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/685627

lumbroso

I just discovered Vivaldi, and it's so awesome I considered finally using a native mail client, Vivaldi Mail, for email.

It is so weird that the "Archive" functionality cannot be customized. It's not a bug, it's just, as people have mentioned, Gmail works by putting an "Inbox" label to incoming emails, and when it is removed, the email is considered "Archived".

This is a simple semantic. Who cares whether it only works for Gmail? Gmail owns 75.78% of the market share in the U.S. and 22% of the market share worldwide. I will also note that Vivaldi Mail supports Google's OAuth already, so it acknowledges the importance of a smooth experience for this dominant player.

Can't believe this has been open for several years, as the solution is so simple! Somewhere, there's an if block to put:

If (server == imap.gmail.com) then remove Inbox as a label else add to Archived folder

zhurinn

@lumbroso Agreed. All we can do is report a problem. We can't make them fix it. I used Betterbird before and will continue to do so, since this bug is a showstopper for me. If this ever gets fixed or I stop using Gmail, then I may give Vivaldi Mail another try.

goodbyevivaldi

You know, this isn't even THAT big of a deal, but what it represents is a big deal. I've worked in software for 25 years and am quite familiar with this kind of "technically correct is the best kind of correct" approach to usability-- I'm just astonished to see it in a supposedly professionally managed project. This attitude is the precise reason that open-source alternatives will forever be alternatives despite being free, privacy-respecting, and often having technically superior underpinnings. You can embrace open standards while still respecting the fact that your users don't-- and should be required to-- eschew normal useful things that don't meet your standards for technical purity. Uninstall.

WildEnte

@goodbyevivaldi noone from the Vivaldi team has commented in this thread. I assume you refer at least in part to comments that I have made calling Gmail's implementation quirky. Note that I am just a user and volunteer tester and don't speak in any way for the Vivaldi team.

The original problem report is over two years old and many issues with archiving and also the specifics of GMail have been resolved, although there are still some left.

When remarking that issues are due to Gmail's nonstandard implementation of IMAP, from where I stand it's not about "technically correct is the best kind of correct" but mostly that undocumented nonstandard behavior of Gmail is causing a massive uphill battle for developers of email software, which is frustrating for volunteer supporters like myself because people naturally assume that Vivaldi is just buggy. You might say it is when Gmail is the de facto standard, but I feel it's ok to point out where the problem originates. There's a reason the Thunderbird support pages have a section dedicated to
"GMail particularities"

Please consider reporting specific issues of Vivaldi with Gmail. The better the remaining issues are described, the more likely a fix will make it to future releases.

mib2berlin

@WildEnte
Hi, I wanted to reply but someone with that username probably won't give any feedback.

Cheers, mib

smolakmariusz

I hope this problem is eliminated, I can't use Vivaldi Mail without it.

ITA73

Just installed and not working, any hint for this?

Thanks

WildEnte

@ITA73 welcome to the forum. There is a bit of information in the thread, you may find something helpful in previous posts. For example see here:

@WildEnte said in Archived still showing even though archive button not selected:

Still broken: the archive button in Vivaldi is greyed out for GMail until a dedicated folder is created from within Vivaldi Mail

Vivaldi has made a lot of fixes to the mail client in the last months and GMail may also have made some changes. The better you describe the issue you encounter and the steps you take for others to reproduce the specific issue, the more likely we can point the developers to what exactly breaks. Thank you for helping us helping them make Vivaldi better!

ITA73

@WildEnte Thanks for your reply, I'm referring to the post topic about Archive not working and asking to create a new Archive...that I won't.

WildEnte

@ITA73 well that's the one workaround that used to do some good when Iast tested.

k3dAR

I understand GMail archive function is not IMAP standard,
but i not sure if Vivaldi(Mail) developers understand that VivaldiMail is still unusable for GMail users?

In general, function of archive mail is one of primary function of email client,
and with Vivaldi Mail (which i try use again after year) is not usable workaround:

make VivaldiMail create unnecessary [Imap]/Archive folder
in VivaldiMail use "E" for archive to [Imap]/Archive
go to GMail WebUI, and for mails in [Imap]/Archive remove label for this folder

Also is not normal, when in VivaldiMail use "E" for archive, then this also remove all others labels,
but as normal i would assume, remove Inbox label and add Archive label (of course if GMail then be only remove Inbox label)

As this bug is open some years without vision of fixing, i again go disable Mail support in Vivaldi
(and i make notification set for this thread, if some change in future)
BTW: with Opera <=12 i used OperaMail many years as my primary/only email client and i was very satisfied with it...